----- Original Message -----
From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Demanding change (was RE: Mmm, mesquite smoky goodness (was
Re: (~) Please.))


> At 13:12 17-07-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> >JDG's "crime" was giving almost as well as he got in a dispute with
Jeroen.
> >I would guess that, if you polled the people on this, the vast majority
> >would have said "a plauge on your two houses", while a significant
minority
> >would blame Jeroen more than JDG.  If you look at the hundreds of emails
> >that came in response, it would be fair to say that the majority of
those
> >that posted were agast at Jeroen trying to get JDG punished for getting
in
> >an arguement with him.  Now Jeroen couched it in terms of rules
violations,
> >but I will be more than happy to agree that bothering Jeroen was the
real
> >issue.
>
> That is outright ridiculous. Everyone is free to disagree with me on any
> topic. Removing someone from the list is an action that can be taken when
a
> member misbehaves. If and when I bring that topic up, it is because (and
> only because!) someone has been violating List Etiquette.
>
> JDG went from attacking my arguments to attacking me.

No, he didn't.  He just made a logical conclusion of your position from
your arguements.

>Would you agree that  this is a violation of the Etiquette Guidelines?

His shouting was a technical violation.  Let me point out, though, he has
shouted far fewer times than you have.

>
> Many people (including you) have disagreed with me on some topic or other
> over the years. If your statement were true, there should have been a
great
> many discussions in which I began discussing banishing my opponent.
> However, the Archive does not show that.

Well, most people bend over backwards to try to be polite. I know I spent a
lot of painstaking effort in order to write as politely as possible  But,
I'll admit, all you did was attack me personally, you have yet to threaten
me with a lawsuit or banishment. But, that's OK, because I understand that
you are above the guidelines, and need not follow them. :-)

Dan M.

Dan M.

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