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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Jean-Louis Couturier


> ... and never once apologized for his
> obvious error.  So, I think the
>  > pig-headedness that you're commending him for is seriously
> misplaced, at
> least on the nuclear front.
>
> You're right and I do remember this.  However, there have been posts
> suggesting that the US would be perfectly
> justified to do so.

I'd suggest that it's not a good idea to bring up old stuff in the context
of the present problem.  Jeroen wasn't put on moderation for anything that
happened previous to the personal attacks named in the original posting.
Let's let the past be the past; bringing it up again smacks of resentment,
etc., which are poisonous.

> Jeroen hasn't been kicked out, but anybody with eyes and a brain to read
> can figure out where this is headed.
> I get the feeling that most of us are past trying to find a solution and
> are resolved to sticking to their guns as
> they hold the Truth (TM).

I'd like to make it clear that I'm not past trying to find a solution.  In
fact, Sonja asked off-line what it would take the resolve the situation and
I gave her the best answer I could.  She's welcome to share our discussion
with the list if she wishes.  My point here is that I'm not by any means
opposed to Jeroen's return.  He's just got to figure out the words it'll
take to assure us that he'll do his best not to allow disagreements to
escalate as the most recent one with JDG did.  Hmm, perhaps I'm not heeding
my own advice, alluding to past escalations.

I don't want this to be about *who* is right and wrong.  In a community like
this one, whose shared purpose is what I'd call brainstorming, trying to win
an argument, or even points, is also poison.  The best things I've gotten
from being here are appreciation of other points of view, including JDG's
and Jeroen's.  That's not just a theoretical appreciation; I increasingly
see how a variety of points of view keep us out of trouble.  Info-diversity
is like bio-diversity, I suspect -- it keeps us ready to solve a variety of
problems that might crop up, while the single-minded society, like the
single-genotype species, becomes extinct far more easily; anything that
kills one, kills all.

Nick

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