At 15:34 17-03-03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:

> No, spoken like someone who knows that with most people in such a
> situation, their survival instinct kicks in and takes over.

But, Gautam provided plenty of counterexamples in other countries where the Nazis attacked. Examples where people's lives were saved

Note that I said "most people", not "all people". Sure, there were people who risked their lives back then to help others, but as a percentage of the total population, that was a relatively small group.



> So, in your opinion, all those Europeans who *didn't* hide Jews or
> helped them get out of Europe during WW2 were collaborating with the
> Nazis. Your insults just never end, do they?

No, just cowards. That's pretty well the definition, not willing to take even a moderate risk to oneself to prevent great harm to another?

You call getting yourself and your family killed or sent to a concentration/death camp "a moderate risk"? Yikes...



> So, why haven't you signed up for military service so you can actively
> help liberate the Iraqi people from their current dictator? After all,
> following your logic, your lack of real action makes you a
> collaborator with the Iraqi regime...

He's clearly willing to take a lot more risk than you are. He is at risk for this action.

What risk would that be? The only action he is involved in is posting Bush-regime propaganda to a mailing list; what risks he is exposing himself to by doing that (other than having his arguments shot to barrels time and time again)?



> >JDG - Who knows that Gautam is very much willing to put his money,
> >err... his life, where his mouth is when it comes to doing the right
> >thing - and - supporting US foreign policy/national defence.
>
> Apparently not -- unless he signed up for military service in the
> front lines in Iraq, and didn't bother to tell us about it.

So, its only the infantry who qualifies in your book? All the other people who risk their lives merit your contempt.

Absolutely not. Anyone who puts his life at risk for a cause they believe in has my respect -- even when that cause itself is questionable. However, JDG mentioned Gautam being willing to risk his life, but I don't see either of them do anything that comes even close to that.



Jeroen "Make love, not war" van Baardwijk


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