----- Original Message -----
From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Corrected French history (was RE: Deadlier Than War)


> At 15:34 17-03-03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > > No, spoken like someone who knows that with most people in such a
> > > situation, their survival instinct kicks in and takes over.
> >
> >But, Gautam provided plenty of counterexamples in other countries where
> >the Nazis attacked.  Examples where people's lives were saved
>
> Note that I said "most people", not "all people". Sure, there were people
> who risked their lives back then to help others, but as a percentage of
the
> total population, that was a relatively small group.
>
>
> > > So, in your opinion, all those Europeans who *didn't* hide Jews or
> > > helped them get out of Europe during WW2 were collaborating with the
> > > Nazis. Your insults just never end, do they?
> >
> >No, just cowards. That's pretty well the definition, not willing to take
> >even a moderate risk to oneself to prevent great harm to another?
>
> You call getting yourself and your family killed or sent to a
> concentration/death camp "a moderate risk"? Yikes...

How many non-Jews were sent to concentration camps for helping the Jews?
How many were put to death?  If I read Gautam right, many people did fight
the Holocaust with relatively minimal risk.

> > > So, why haven't you signed up for military service so you can
actively
> > > help liberate the Iraqi people from their current dictator? After
all,
> > > following your logic, your lack of real action makes you a
> > > collaborator with the Iraqi regime...
> >
> >He's clearly willing to take a lot more risk than you are.  He is at
risk
> >for this action.
>
> What risk would that be? The only action he is involved in is posting
> Bush-regime propaganda to a mailing list; what risks he is exposing
himself
> to by doing that (other than having his arguments shot to barrels time
and
> time again)?

He lives in the DC area.


> Absolutely not. Anyone who puts his life at risk for a cause they believe
> in has my respect -- even when that cause itself is questionable.
However,
> JDG mentioned Gautam being willing to risk his life, but I don't see
either
> of them do anything that comes even close to that.

I think Gautam stated that he is color blind on the list.  I don't think it
is out of turn to say that he found out when he was exploring how he could
serve his country.

Dan M.


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