At 03:05 PM 6/1/2003 -0700 d.brin wrote:
>Sorry guys.  This is unadulterated BS.  I swear, we'll all be doomed 
>if you smart guys don't stop theorizing and look at facts.
>
>Fact, the South has the hugest murder rate and rate of violence.  It 
>is also Gun Central.  THE EXPERIMENT HAS BEEN TRIED  and utterly 
>failed.  accept falsification.

I tired to check this data, and while there do seem to be a number of
Southern States near the top of the murder rates, the correlation does not
strike me as strong as you suggest.   Here is the link I found:
 http://www.morganquitno.com/CR03samp1.pdf

Some interesting notes: 
   The murder rate of Texas (perhaps the gun liberalization capital of the
US) is below the national average.

  The Top 10 includes New York, Maryland, Illinois, and Michigan.
Maryland is especially notable since its gun control laws are quite strict.
   Of course, bordering DC - with the toughest gun laws and the highest
murder rate doesn't help.

  Oklahoma, Montanta, and Colorado (which has a major metro area in the
form of Denver) are all in the bottom 25.   

    Idaho is at #38  - if you wanted a state with a macho-male culture and
few gun control laws, Idaho would be a good pick.

   The bottom 10 includes both Dakotas, Iowa, Nebraska, and Wyoming - the
home home of the Cowboy six-shooter.   This is especially notable  since a
State that is very comparable to Wyoming in population density, Alaska, is
much higher.

   So, sorry Doc, but I don't think that the data backs you up on this as
convincingly as you think.

JDG

   
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