----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists
> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists > > > > > > > > Not being argumentative, but making assumptions based on what I remember > > being taught as a child, I have to ask if the authority of the Pope > existed > > pre-Constantine? > > No, not really. The Catholic church's understanding of the authority of the > pope has evolved. For example, the doctrine of Papel infallibility was a > Vatican I document. The local kings had a lot of power in appointing > bishops in the Middle Ages. > > > The assumption being that Peter was the first Pope and Popes led the > Church > > from day one. > > That is a rather old example of historical revisionism. Instead of asking > the question "what was the structure of the church during early times?" > they already knew the answer and fit the history to the understanding. > There is no real evidence that the Christian curch before Constantine > submitted to the authority of the pope. > > Thinking about it, it makes sense that the bishop of Rome would be first > among equals..given that the church now had the support of the empire. > Further, it also makes sense that the Eastern church never really submitted > to the surpreme authority of the pope, even before the Eastern and Western > split. > OK....... So they have these lists of Popes that span 2000 years, with dates for their reigns and all. How does this fit in? Did these people actually exist? Did they have *any* real authority? Of course, its been 30 or 35 years since I saw this information, and I don't think I could remember *where* it was I saw it. xponent Answers Lead To Questions Maru rob _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
