----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:24 AM Subject: Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style
> Dan Minette wrote: > > >From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >>Reports had filtered out earlier, IIRC, though I don't think they'd > >>been given much credence. > >> > >> > >There is documented skepticism about the "whining of the Jews" concerning > >them being targeted by the Nazis. > > > I believe the US and the UK only allowed Jewish children to enter their > country freely during the first years of the war. The adults usually > were refused entry unless they could show loads of money or prove that > they had a usefull profession. The general adult rif-raf (not ment > denigratingly) was kept out, much like immigration laws in most > countries today. > > >>>Its fairly well established > >>> > >>> > >>Among the brass, certainly -- I was referring to the people in the > >>trenches and the civilians left behind. > >> > >> > > > >Among those folks too. That is fairly well established, as Gautam has > >shown here. > > > I don't know what Gautam has shown but I know for a fact that most > German soldiers had no choice but to fight. The alternative was what > usually turned out to be a one way trip to one of the fronlines. Gautam pointed documentation that showed that a guard who refused to work in the death camp was not punished; he was merely reassigned. > Survival chances there were rather slim depending on which front you got > sent to. Desertion equated immediate death. Hardheaded cases or vocal > opposition was send to fight in the hot spots on the much feared Eastern > fronts or alternatively got a bullet through the head or if they got > lucky enough were sent to one of the many work camps. Quite frankly if > that are the options I'd be very carefull and fight. It is a strong > motivation when one lives under a totalitarian regime where betrayal is > rife. But, Nazi Germany was not really a totalitarian regime. Damon pointed out they were not really fully mobilized until '43 or '44. Spear wrote that Hitler was unwilling to restrict permanents, which used up a limited chemical supply needed for the war effort because he was worried about popular opinion. Hitler didn't believe in elections, but the Nazis would have won until the war started going bad. People casually wrote about the death camps in letters. I realize that all the Western governments agreed to accentuate the dictatorial nature of the Nazis with respect to Aryans and the strength of the French resistance beyond anything a hard look at data would suggest. But, 60 some years later, its worthwhile to try to achieve an accurate understanding; isn't it? Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
