On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:38:09 -0700, Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JDG wrote:
> 
> > Winning this war motivates every decision with regards to terrorism
> > alerts and counter-intelligence that is made.    And anyone who thinks
> > otherwise
> > has a particularly craven view of politics.

You should educate yourself more on the Bush family.  They have a long
and enormously profitable relationship with the Saud family to the
extent they are now the two most powerful families on the planet.  The
fact they would protect the House of Saud whom the Bush's consider to
be part of the family is no surprise.  The fact you can't see this
means your education is incomplete.

> 
> I guess you didn't hear that he said the war wasn't winnable the other day.

I am not going to jump on that only because Bush went to the man of
the people who everyone turn's to for foreign policy issues, Rush
Limbaugh, and fully retracted his statement.  Flip-Flop.  This shows
more that every time Bush has a long conversation about anything it
soon becomes clear he doesn't know what his policies are and he has to
come back later after checking with his handlers.

> Graham found the president had ''an unforgivable level of intellectual --
> and even common sense -- indifference'' toward analyzing the comparative
> threats posed by Iraq and al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
> 
> When the weapons were not found, one year after the invasion of Iraq, Bush
> attended a black-tie dinner in Washington, Graham recalled. Bush gave a
> humorous speech with slides, showing him looking under White House
> furniture and joking, ``Nope, no WMDs there.''
> 
> Graham wrote: ``It was one of the most offensive things I have witnessed.
> Having recently attended the funeral of an American soldier killed in
> Iraq, who left behind a young wife and two preschool-age children, I found
> nothing funny about a deceitful justification for war.''
> 
> This epitomizes the character of our acting executive and illustrates why
> it is so easy to believe that he is protecting his Saudi friends.

I could be taking a cheap shot but Bush provides so many target there
must be something there.  I find his behavior often socially immature.
 The fact that he is so personally likable when he makes an effort,
and unless you get on his bad side, combined with his extreme
childhood cruelty to animals causes me to wonder if he is at least a
borderline sociopath - personally charming but purely self-interested
and indifferent or amused by cruelty to others.  Reports came out that
before and after the Iraq prison abuse cases Bush and Rumsfeld would
joke about what they would do to prisoners like good ol' frat boys. 
This is much like Ahhhnulllds sense of "humor."  However, it is not
clear where the line between borderline sociopath behavior and extreme
authoritarianism would be drawn.  Both involve not having empathy, not
being able to consider other viewpoints, and both consider other
people as tools or objects to be used.

Bush doesn't attend U.S. soldiers funerals.  I am wondering if he will
when #1000 dies to make a political photo op.  No, can't see how that
wouldn't provide more ammunition to the other side.  Bush will attend
a funeral when Karl Rove decides it might be useful.

Gary
-- 
#2 on google for liberal news but on hiatus
"I don't try harder"
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