Dan wrote:

I don't know. Beer, as opposed to cigarettes can be enjoyed for its own
sake, and not as part of an addicting pattern. For example, we got a 6
pack of beer a couple of weeks ago, and I've had three beers during that
time with meals that seem to call for beer instead of milk or water. All
in all, that level of drinking is more likely to be healthy than unhealthy.

Take a look at the commercials again Dan. Does "guys night out" suggest a beer with dinner? Most of these spots suggest _party_ weather it be the kind with many people or just two.


Just to make a point let me ask the list this question; is there anyone, _any_ _one_ on the list that has not at least heard about a horrific alcohol related accident in their community that killed multiple underage high school kids?


Impotence spots seem to adress long term relationships (marriages) that
have been adversely affected by a physical dysfunction. Yes it deals with sex, but it seems to deal with it in a healthy manner...the spots always
seem to involve two people who have loved each other for a long time.
Compared to the standard plot twist in the daytime and nighttime soaps
(getting married means sex becomes boring), I see it as a positive.

I agree for the most part. I'm not too keen on drug adds in general but that isn't relevent here.



Tony Dungy raised an interesting point here. He was offended because he
thought the spot itself was racist: going with the idea that black men are> sexual predators....especially with the Kobe (who was supposed to be a role> model black "family man" before) non-trial.

Though I obviously can't speak from a black male POV, I think Dungee's point is a real stretch. The woman in the piece is the aggressor, not T.O.


It wouldn't have played the
same way with Payton Manning as it did with TO.  Given the racist stories
we've all heard "black men willing to do just about anything to get
themselves a white woman", even people who work hard to be non-racist are
conditioned to see the possibility of TO missing work, betraying his
comrades, just for a chance to get some with a white desperate housewife.
(To give a full picture, I'll state that view is not universal, Donovan
McNabb didn't think the spot was offensive.)

I can see this moreso than the predator stuff, but as the whole thing was kind of jokey, it's still pretty weak.



I was working, and didn't see the skit, so I don't even know if it would have bothered me. But, it is clear that it is possible to be upset with this skit in particular without being racist, because it did conjure up racist overtones.

I didn't see the spot real time either - just snips from news reports and several articles. I'm not arguing that it isn't possible to be upset with the skit, racist or not. I just think that considering other aspects of a football game it's disingenuous to be upset with this spot and ambivalent about others.


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Doug
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