Ah, talking about WFDF and UPA rules eh? I like the logic: -[A stall count] consists of the marker calling, "Stalling," and then counting at one second intervals to ten. -A player is said to be guarding the thrower if he or she is within 3 m of the thrower's pivot foot
So, the person counting the numbers must be the marker, and so must be within 3m. But hang on, surely you can guard a player without marking them? Guarding is the first point under 'The Marker', but it doesn't say they are equivalent (although yes this would be a fair interpretation). Also, WFDF says you're guarding someone so long as you're "not within 3 m of any other member of the offensive team" - so if a handler just ran towards you, you'd have to stop stalling. The point I'm trying to get at is that there are countless grey areas and contradictions in the WFDF ruleset, and it would be much easier to be able to refer to something as simple as "Only a marker within three meters of the thrower's point of ground contact may initiate or continue a stall count." The UPA rules have actually been updated to settle the ambiguities, and there are rarely differing interpretations (of the rules, not of the play) on the pitch at UPA Nationals - they just get on with it and play ultimate. Also note the 'point of ground contact' / 'pivot foot' difference - it's all been thought about, so your pivot point doesn't -have- to be a foot like it does (I think, it's probably ambiguous) in the WFDF ruleset. I certainly don't think it's the UKUA's job to force interpretation onto the rules. At the end of the day, all we have is the interpretation of the WFDF rules as the spirit of them sets out: "The purpose of the rules of ultimate is to provide a guideline which describes the way the game is played. It is assumed that no ultimate player will intentionally violate the rules; there are no harsh penalties for inadvertent infractions but, rather, a method for resuming play in a manner which simulates what would most likely have occurred had there been no infraction." Felix http://www.seultimate.org/rules - WFDF rules in web form ps. I've not fully read through the UPA rules myself, simply because I don't want to get confused and then be one of these people who constantly 'quotes' UPA rules at Tour pps. did anyone else notice the brick mark was 10 yards not 20m up the playing field proper at T1A? caught me off guard once as I was walking to the 20m point and it got played from the brick.. I didn't call anything of course because, well, he took it from the brick mark, although "[On a brick,] The player may then carry the disc to the appropriate place, touch it to the ground, call, "Disc in play,", and put the disc in play." Call "Disc in play"? who would do that? __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp
