Something that happened a few times at the weekend was disagreement about continuation. The extract from WFDF is below in full, but basically:
- if there is a travel, the pass is completed, then the next pass turns over (because they didn't realise that there was a travel), the disc has to go back to where the travel was called. There is no such thing as 2 pass continuation (other than possibly in UPA rules) - if the pick is unrelated to the pass then the pass should stand, *BUT* only if the disc is in the air when the call is made. - if any of these calls are made *prior* to the throw (i.e. you call a travel/pick etc but the thrower doesn't hear you, then they throw it away), the disc must go back to them. This is because (as in 404.17 A below) and infringement leads to play being halted unless the disc is in the air. I'm not advocating that throwers being called on travel, etc take a "free" throw, just making sure I don't have to have this same argument 3 times in Eastbourne... Brummie [http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=rules/wfdf_ultimate_rules.htm] 404.17 Stoppage of Play: A. General: Whenever an infringement of the rules or a time-out occurs, play is halted and the disc is put back into play with a check at the point of the last possession before play was stopped, except as otherwise provided by these rules. B. Play Continuation Rule: If a foul, violation or pick is called while the disc is in the air, play continues until possession of the disc is gained. If the team who would receive the benefit of the call gains possession as a result of a pass committed prior or during the time the call was made, play shall continue unhalted. It is the responsibility of the player who made the call to call out, "Play on," to indicate that this rule has been invoked. If the pass is completed and the foul, violation or pick was called against the offense, the pass does not count and possession reverts back to the thrower, except as provided in 404.13 D (3). However, if the violation did not affect the defensive effort on the pass (e.g. a pick unrelated to the play), the defense should acknowledge this and play is resumed with a check where the pass was caught. On 7/14/06, Tom Maisey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I agree with this to a point, but its important to judge each situation. As i see it, if you are playing at a more competetive level, there is nothing wrong with stalling someone after a layout. Its in the rules of the sport, and is therefore bad spirit (by definition) not to. However, if someone makes a great grab in a less serious or fun tournament, there is no need to sprint up to them and start the count. If a player is clearly exploiting this choice, then obviously it makes sense to revert to the written rules, but this is a serious sport we are playing, and at a higher level its my view that we should play it as the rules dictate... Tom >From: "John Paul Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [BD] Rules on Stalling >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:03:04 +0000 > > > Thankyou Phil for being the first person to more or less say Lets use > our common sense. > > I'm a pretty big sports fan, and every sport I know has grey areas in > the rules. (I was actually discussing this with my American housemate > recently). American Football have rule clarifications all the time > and all it seems to do is confuse the fans. The referees (are they > Umpires?) get lots of training on interpretation, as do football > (proper football) referees. This is so that they can enforce them > correctly and be made clear on grey areas, and still mistakes are > made. > > There is no way that we will ever get a comprehensive set of rules > that everyone is clear on and are easy to understand. We just have to > be SPIRIRTED about playing. I've never played top level Ultimate > (worlds/europeans) but from what I hear there are rarely problems with > the rules. For some reason it seems to get more picky at the lower > levels were I play. (I could of course be wrong on this). A few > years back I laid out for a disc (a rare occasion). It kinda hurt so > I took a couple of seconds getting up - my marker started a stall > count while I was lying on the floor. I protested they couldn't do > this, but they said I had to call an injury if I was hurt. Of course > I checked the rules and I was wrong, but I still think it is > ridiculous to stall someone who is lying on the ground. > > That's just an example, and I know that if this rule was changed so > you couldn't be stalled I could take full advantage and lie on the > floor for ages. But I would hope that in this situation my team would > get a bad spirit score and this would be alerted to the TD. So > perhaps this is the solution - more penalties for poor spirit (stand > by for another barrage of e-mails) from UKUA??? > > At the risk of getting all hippy, lets not forget the fundamental > principle of Spirit of the Game. > > Ernie >__________________________________________________ >BritDisc mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp
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