Oh, pretty please let me be the one that replies first to this!!! Of course you only move up one group of 8 per Tour! This is not by accident - you're not this first person to notice it. The schedule is deliberately like this. The FA cup final break is simply there to allow everyone to watch the FA cup final! Nothing else. If it weren't for this break we'd all be playing during the game, but finish earlier. Theoretically it means that all games are relatively even - what's the point of having a crossover game against a team that has already (i.e. at the last Tour) proven that they are several places above you? You're not likely to get THAT much better in a few weeks. And, they're not likely to get much worse! The idea behind the Tour is to encourage consistant teams, not huge fluctuations from one event to the next... i.e. To reward improvement through practice, rather than changes in personel. I think your beef comes when from one end of season to the start of the next, there might be a large difference in performance from certain teams - meaning that in Tour 1 there might be a case for a schedule which allows all teams equal chance to win? Where this might not be the case at the moment. This is the very reason why there was a Tour 0 for the Open Tour this year - so there was no arguement for starting positions in the Tour. Whereas the Mixed Tour have obviously taken a view that consistency of team selection should be rewarded. As opposed to simply creating new teams to do better in tournaments. This is a totally different arguement to being able to move up loads from one event to the next within the same year. Which would create lots of pointless crossovers between teams which have already shown a large gap in performance. Sometimes other people need to stick up for those who make the decisions. Otherwise who else, apart from them, are going to re-itterate the same old points? To me this seems very simple. It's been the basis of the Tour (mixed and open) for years and is very sensible. Build on performance from one event to the next and then from one year to the next - meaning that bringing in talent from elsewhere, from one Tour to the next will not work. Maybe the message has been lost? Hopefully the UKUA schedulers will be pleased that someone on BD points out the good things that they do?! Si James Melzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Oscar (and everyone else),
I've just had a look at the schedule for mixed this weekend and I think you're right... there is indeed a round of crossovers missed out; meaning that the teams are split into 4 groups (top 8, second 8 etc), and it is impossible to get more than one group difference from where you started from (eg, if I start at the bottom in group 4 and win every game, I will be in group 3; if I'm in group 1 and loose every game I will be in group 2, and likewise for the other groups)... this missing crossover could be because of the FA cup break, I'm not too sure on that one (everyone has 3 games on saturday, 3 on sunday). I think for the most part this should work well as long as the teams are seeded correctly to begin with, but a problem arises when the initial seedings aren't quite right and a team can spend 3 events working their way to the top without loosing a single game, whereas a higher seeded team can afford to loose several games over the 3 events and still be at the top... but they'll have harder games of course. >From what I read about tour 0 the schedule had great thought put into it, most teams were no more than a pitch away from where their last game was, and no 'fresh' team had to play a 'worn' team; which seems like a really sensible idea in my book, and also seems to be the case for this weekend. Unless you missed a tour event (eg if you went to cube instead of MT1) everything should work out; sadly everyone missed MT2 which throws a spanner in the works. As places for nationals are awarded by 'tour points', those with high initial seedings are bound to win more points and qualify for nationals because they have to finish a group away from where they started; I'm now beginning to think that a points system (like football) might work better, but I can't work out how unless every team plays every other team over the course of tour leading up to nationals; if this were implemented and only 32 teams entered mixed next year every team would need to play 31 games before nationals, which is silly. Perhaps the world cup format which also has 32 teams would be a better one to follow (group games, second round, quarters, semis, final) even if its a knockout format; this would be 7 games each and would fit into a weekend quite nicely. Then again; I quite often end up playing the same team twice at tournaments, I don't think any schedule will ever be perfect. Thanks to the people that write them, some say the way to gauge success is by the number of complaints you get. -Chef On 5/14/07, Oscar wrote: > > Also, people seemed happy with the schedule at the top end but I'm not sure > how a team can lose 1 game all weekend and, in a fair schedule, finish 27th? > I think there was probably a potential round of cross-overs that were, for > some reason, missed out. I heard disturbing rumours that there is a UKUA > scheduling committee and that these people were not consulted by the TDs for > MT1. > If this is not the case and, I emphasise, it is only hearsay, then I fully > and whole-heartedly apologise but it still grates a little that we finished > so low despite performing much better than we expected to. > > As ever, my views and not, necessarily, those of my team (at least on the > points related to Mixed Tour). > > Oscar __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed Inbox cluttering up with junk? Clean up with Yahoo! Mail. __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
