--- Comment #18 from Reindl Harald <> ---
> If you just wanted them to connect over TLS to port 443 you 
> wouldn't bother with explicitly enabling STARTTLS

the whole point of the config is to have one instead two mostly redundant
<VirtualHost> and it works well besides a few issues

the redirect we are talking here about is this:

and *no* there is no valid reason when "HTTPS on" is correctly set within httpd
that this rediect goes to http:// - would you please stop argue about STARTTLS
which is *not* the topic at all

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