>> I'm not picking on Jimmy, or anyone else Actually you are, but I have thick skin so it isn't that big a deal.
>> No crook gives a hoot about your address, phone number, email address Actually they do, but I'm not going to argue with anyone about it I'm not overly paranoid, and I don't fear the Internet, far from it. I just like to make it a bit harder for the bad guys instead of laying it all out there for easy picking. --jv On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:59 PM Gus Bernard via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote: > I want all of my ham contact information available to anyone - I want to > be able to locate any fellow ham, and I want them to easily find me. > That's one reason I'm in a ham club. The way it is/was is fine, and > there's no good reason to complicate it (except, maybe, paranoia > <https://youtu.be/-Qowmc0P9ic>). > > BREAKING NEWS: No crook gives a hoot about your address, phone number, > email address and call sign (some 16 year old might want your > granddaughter's phone number, but not yours). These are rightly public > information and should be easily obtained (and are). Does anyone remember > phone books? Believe me, NO ONE is cruising the BVARC member list to get > your address (or anything else) unless it's a fellow ham wanting to send > you a Christmas card or see your antenna setup. > > Identity theft involves getting your SSAN, bank account number, passwords, > etc. This is a different matter. If, on the other hand, you're concerned > about privacy from your fellow hams, maybe you should hide all that > *private* info! Then, the rest of us will know you're "one of those > guys." > > I'm not picking on Jimmy, or anyone else. And, I understand many folks > fear the "interweb." But folks, as my granddaughter says - CHILL! The ham > club roster is not how your stuff gets stolen. > > 73, > Gus Bernard, KG50FB > 6006 Valley Forge Drive > Houston, TX (ZipCode hidden for privacy concerns) > 832-295-4886 > [email protected] > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 12:50 PM Eddie Runner via BVARC <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> oh, I think I get it Jimmy.. you dont want to hide your info from >> everyone, you just want to hide it from non members (or bots).. >> so for the public you like the way I have it now, but for members you >> want them to be able to contact you.? >> Ok, sometimes it takes a while for me to understand.. ha ha >> it makes more sense now. >> >> Eddie (NU5K) >> PS, still interested in any other discussion.. >> >> On Sunday, March 10, 2019, 11:44:02 AM CDT, Jimmy Vance via BVARC < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> It isn't that I want it offline, I just don't want all my personal >> information in plain view of the world. I'm suggesting that it be behind a >> protected page that requires some type of authentication to access, be that >> method a password or something else. Having it all unlisted is fine and >> what I prefer in current state, but now no club member can actually contact >> me and that wasn't my intent >> >> --jv >> >> >> On 3/10/2019 11:12 AM, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote: >> >> I did change it a little bit yesterday Jimmy. Your record looks like >> this now >> *Jimmy Vance* >> W5ZTX UNLISTED UNLISTED UNLISTED 2019/05/01 EXTRA as opposed to my >> record >> *Eddie Runner* NU5K 25618 Anvil Iron Ln >> Richmond TX 77406 713-569-8799 >> 713-626-7627 eddie.runner at yahoo.com LIFE MEMBER EXTRA yes, the >> email addresses used to be clickable.. and the callsigns were clickable >> also (to link to QRZ.com) ..not anymore. >> >> one of the things I like is that members can see if they are about to >> expire, or just expired.. and easily renew. >> *John Parmalee* K5VGM 23506 Kings Forest >> HOCKLEY TX 77447 281 3803 811 >> JPARMALEE at aol.com 2019/01/01 >> click to renew <http://www.bvarc.org/home/join-bvarc/> EXTRA This >> records Does have a link to our renewal page which is a clickable link. >> As the webguy and a programmer, it is simple simple for me to make >> changes.. So I can easily make this work any way >> the board decides... And I am always open to ideas. >> >> Jimmy, I know you say you want it offline, but is your current record >> acceptable? I mean do you also not want your name and call to display, or >> your expiration date? Currently you are set to the MOST secure. >> >> Eddie >> PS, Howard, currently the clubs membership officials, maintain the club >> membership roster, they can see and manipulate all information about all >> members present and past (we keep a historical record as well as current >> member ship).. This raw information is password protected of course. >> The visible (Current Roster) is visible on the website to the general >> public.. and this is what the discussion is about. >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, March 10, 2019, 9:06:46 AM CDT, Jimmy Vance via BVARC >> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'm on the side that in this day and age with identity theft more and >> more common this information shouldn't be so freely available. Yes there >> is the argument that this information is available on the FCC ULS, but you >> have to work for it, not just scrap a single page and grab a couple hundred >> names, addresses, phone numbers and emails. Th ULS also does not list phone >> numbers or email addresses >> >> The comment that only members can see the information is incorrect. >> Anyone including every bot trolling the Internet scraping names and emails >> can download the information listed at >> http://www.bvarc.org/index1.php?page=roster >> >> The visible fields are >> >> *NAME >> <http://www.bvarc.org/index1.php?page=roster&ifget=R&searchtype=&searchterm=&sort=ASC&searchsort=last>* >> *CALLSIGN >> <http://www.bvarc.org/index1.php?page=roster&ifget=R&searchtype=&searchterm=&sort=ASC&searchsort=callsign>* >> *ADDRESS >> <http://www.bvarc.org/index1.php?page=roster&ifget=R&searchtype=&searchterm=&sort=ASC&searchsort=zip>* >> *PHONE >> <http://www.bvarc.org/index1.php?page=roster&ifget=R&searchtype=&searchterm=&sort=ASC&searchsort=phone1>* >> *EMAIL >> <http://www.bvarc.org/index1.php?page=roster&ifget=R&searchtype=&searchterm=&sort=ASC&searchsort=email>* >> *EXPIRE >> <http://www.bvarc.org/index1.php?page=roster&ifget=R&searchtype=&searchterm=&sort=ASC&searchsort=dateexpire>* >> *CLASS >> <http://www.bvarc.org/index1.php?page=roster&ifget=R&searchtype=&searchterm=&sort=ASC&searchsort=licenseclass>* >> For the email is uses 'at' instead of '@' and there is no longer a >> clickable link for the email (pretty sure it used to be clickable) >> >> Maybe use a 'captcha' or post some other image on the main page that >> would clue members in to what the password is when we forget? >> >> >> >> --jv >> W5ZTX >> >> >> On 3/10/2019 5:31 AM, D. Howard Bingham via BVARC wrote: >> >> I have no problems as they are now, only members can see what is now >> available, no street address or phone numbers visible to "non-members". >> >> Should board members have email addresses visible to "Members Only" ? >> >> D. Howard Bingham >> >> ke5apj BVARC member since 2003 >> >> --- >> On 3/9/2019 2:14 PM, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote: >> >> BVARC Roster - Discussion: >> Bvarc provides a roster of current and recently expired members on >> thebvarc.org website. >> 1.) ease of contacting other members. >> 2.) ease to see when or if you are about to expire. >> >> BVARC also provides a list of members that are Board members as well as >> lists >> of members that have won awards in the past. As well as a list of silent >> keys (SK). >> (on the who is page) >> >> A public roster is pretty standard in Ham radio (callbooks, QRZ website, >> FCC lookup) >> and in the past, BVARC even used to post roster info >> in some of the early newsletters ( before there was a website ) >> >> Recently with the digital age some concerns about privacy have come up. >> >> Our membership roster can currently display records >> PUBLICLY >> NO PHONE >> or >> NO LIST AT ALL (this lists name and call only with no address or phone) >> >> But another idea has been to make the Roster Password protected so only >> members with the correct password can see the roster. >> >> Currently only the ADMINS can see the entire unrestricted member list >> (password protected) but the general public can see the slightly restricted >> current roster. >> >> My personal opinion is not many people even know the roster is there, >> (it isnt used much) and if we had a member password no one would remember >> it. >> >> I would love to hear what the general membership thinks about this. >> >> Eddie (NU5K) >> BVARC web guy >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ BVARC mailing list >> [email protected] http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> Message delivered to >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BVARC mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BVARC mailing >> [email protected]http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BVARC mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> BVARC mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> > _______________________________________________ > BVARC mailing list > Radio,Radio,Radio We are a radio Club! > Talk it up! 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