Hi KoriSorry you are surprised by the way things work.
BVARC is a public organization (901.c)Our website AND our reflector are public
!! ANYTHING posted on the reflector is available to the general public.
If you send anything to the reflector ([email protected]) it will be forwarded to
all the folks who want to be notifiedas well as available to the public from
our website.
You mentioned PRIVATE email. If you or SOMEONE ELSE forwards your private
email to the BVARC reflectorit will then be forwarded to all subscribers and
made available to our web users as well. (we cant know that)
I know some users have posted to the reflector and then posted an apology
because he mistakenlysent the email to the reflector as he wanted it to go
direct to the other person. it happens...
The reason the website archives the reflector emails is because it is
information about ham radio (hopefully)that may benefit someone that is
searching or it may help direct someone to the BVARC club.
Not all reflector emails are stock full of useful information, but there are
plenty of great discussions that SHOULD BE SEARCHABLE.
I hope this helps you understand....
BVARC is public, we were formed to provide public service.
one of our goals is to promote ham radio and attract new ham radio operators
(and old ones as well) :)
It is MY JOB (volunteer) to maintain the bvarc website and the reflector.
Saying someone found your reflector post on a search engine means I am doing a
good job!!
Eddie (NU5K) 713-569-8799 (always available)
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 10:44:01 AM CST, Kori Rahman via BVARC
<[email protected]> wrote:
Eddie,
I certainly understand that my personal information is in the ULS database, and
that the club posts my info and I've asked them to remove certain things
already.
Your email address is private on QRZ exclusively available to fellow hams who
are verified, they even go to the trouble of making you hover over the email
box with your mouse to avoid bots from scanning the pages.
This website I found has our complete emails. Why is that?!? I 100% understand
that what we say on the air is available to everyone to hear and I don't say
private things there. But I just kind of assumed the email list was private and
for club members only.
I was confused why it was posted publicly. Complete word for word our intraclub
emails. There's a boundary between using the ham bands and using email. It
would appear we use the reflector to discuss business such as having equipment
for sale, but we do not discuss that on the air per FCC rules. It's not even
really about my info, I know that the FCC and subsequently QRZ posts it.
I just don't like that our emails to each other are posted online. Again, I was
under the impression that our correspondence within the club was.... WITHIN THE
CLUB. I am unpleasantly surprised it's not.
It's an entire correspondence that's out there, not just name and email/phone
etc. Whatever we say is apparently available to a global audience. We may as
well be using a public forum rather than email. This is in my experience, not
the way email lists operate.
When I sent an email to a group at work, it only goes to the group, not to the
internet to be searched. Sure you can look up who a person works for, what
their work phone number is even, but you can't see their individual emails
related to work. That's my main issue. I have spoken to Mark Hardwick and I
hope we can resolve this. Again the issue is not just that our signatures are
on the site, I am fully aware of how the ULS, QRZ, and BVARC post relevant
information. It's also mainly the fact that the full content of our emails is
available. Based on the responses, I'm not the only one concerned about that.
I'm not super angry here, I'm just concerned and confused. I hope that makes
sense.
-KORI
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 9:35 Eddie Runner via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote:
Traditionally, HAMS have used the public information to exchange QSL CARDS and
othercorrespondence worldwide...
On the HAM bands it is very common to hear one ham tell another that he is good
on QRZ....
that means his address is up to date with the FCC if someonewants to contact
him..
On our local repeaters, it is common to hear one of our memberstell someone he
is good on the roster.. meaning his contact info is up to date..
this is what hams do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have in the last few years made a provision in our BVARC record keepingthat
can keep the info on file but only show on our online roster name and call
sign..
We have the ability (IF ASKED) to make the phone private..And we also have the
ability (IF ASKED) to make you not show up at all in the public roster...
(to become private please email: whoops, that guy doesn't want to share his
email... Just kidding, email: [email protected].. or me directly
[email protected] as I maintain the website )
HOWEVER.. You will show up on QRZ.com and many other websites including the
FCCs website.So making yourself private on BVARC is very tiny compared to your
ham information covering the globewith many many other websites that WILL NOT
remove you..
In the first post from Kori Rahman, he found his name in a search of the BVARC
REFLECTORs pastmessages.. ([email protected] reflector is shared to other users
(club members and some non club menbers)and also shared on the web publicly
from our website..
Its the webmasters job to get this information into the search engines so folks
can find out aboutham radio and find out about the Brazos Valley Amateur Radio
Club!!! (patting myself on the back for a job well done... )
Eddie Runner [email protected] NU5K
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 07:16:14 AM CST, William Elliott via BVARC
<[email protected]> wrote:
I'm a month into the club and my info popped up too. I'd rather that not be
publicly posted.
-K15MKV
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:28 AM Kori Rahman via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello all!
So I just did a Google search of my call sign (which I will not be stating
again) and the VERY FIRST thing that came up was my personal email to the club
list. I was... kinda shocked and surprised. I was under the impression these
emails were for club members ONLY. Apparently this email list is posted to the
public and I'm concerned about that. I have personal information in my
signature (name, phone number etc. which may be used to send me spam calls)
that could easily be parsed by an algorithm... This seems like a major security
issue to me and should be fixed. I have to wonder who is sending these emails
to this website??? If the club is doing this they should inform us that
anything we say on this list is not a private email but a public statement to
all of the internet and everyone on the planet.
I would appreciate some feedback on this and how this email I sent to the club
was posted publicly on the internet for all the world to see.... Maybe this is
the intent of the club, but I will certainly think twice about sending anything
out now and censoring my email signature. This must be laid out clearly to all
new members.
One of many offending post:
https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg09908.html
The use of the word "Private" is extensive in this page I was sent with my
welcome to the list:
http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org
Look.... I'm not SUPER diligent about reading absolutely everything I get, but
this seems like an extremely important thing to tell folks... I've been a
member for about 2 months so maybe this has been brought up before. I just feel
there needs to be more transparency if this is how it is.
- My call is in the offending link
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