Alan, I just had a moment of revelation with regard to the inside pair
pushing off each other into the butterfly whirl, and I'll see if I can pull
it off in the future. I think the main problem, though, is that there's
never enough room in the line for proper execution. As an allemanding
gent, my primary concern is usually to not slam my partner/neighbor into
the other pair coming at us diagonally from the next hands four.
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Alan Winston <wins...@slac.stanford.edu>wrote:
> Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's role in a men-allemande
> star promenade is also often really unsatisfying. Something like 20% of
> the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just let go of me as soon as
> they've picked up their partner; 70% hold on but stop giving weight either
> immediately or before the promenade part is omplete, and it's no more than
> 10% who give me a satisfying connection all through the promenade and a
> positive push off at the right time.
>
> (And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
> them step ahead. Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
> }
> {
> and what happens half the time is more like this
> Z
>
> I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful when
> they work.)
>
> -- Alan
>
>
>
> On 10/3/2013 11:52 AM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
>
>> I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star
>> promenade was called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples,
>> only two other ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl. All
>> the gents and we three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it. And
>> no, it was not a line packed with newbies. I have had similar issues
>> before. Women often don't weight an allemande enough, let alone do things
>> like push off to twirl out. So if you write it into the dance, the only
>> time it will likely be well danced in my region is at festivals. I doubt
>> my experience is singular. A groan and much chatter arose from the floor
>> as we realized what was about to happen.
>> Andrea
>>
>> Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt <dhuntdan...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
>>> The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has
>>> the "men turn out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again". The
>>> Texas Star is a four couple star Promenade.
>>>
>>> There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to
>>> initiate a star promenade, so you're in good company. Happy composing...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Donna Hunt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Maia McCormick <maia....@gmail.com>
>>> To: Caller's discussion list <call...@sharedweight.net>
>>> Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:05 am
>>> Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
>>>
>>>
>>> Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
>>> leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
>>> Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would
>>> it
>>> be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
>>> goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Maia
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