I believe that elbow turns were the original version for that particular
dance -- at least they were in the version I collected something like 10
years ago. The last time I called it I suggested forearm to forearm
turns, which keep things a bit tighter, make for a somewhat more solid
"frame" for the star promenade and still allow the push off (that's also
what I generally offer to the next gent when I'm dancing it. Much more
satisfying connection for me and it seems to do a better job of keeping
the whole thing turning as a unit.
On 10/3/2013 4:27 PM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
Carol Ormand call There Is No Way To Peace, Peace Is The Way with elbow turns.
You can't push off, but the connection does help you sling your could around
and keeps things tight. What if we always called Star Promenades like that?
Andrea
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On Oct 3, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Aaron Redfern <aaron.redf...@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan, I just had a moment of revelation with regard to the inside pair
pushing off each other into the butterfly whirl, and I'll see if I can pull
it off in the future. I think the main problem, though, is that there's
never enough room in the line for proper execution. As an allemanding
gent, my primary concern is usually to not slam my partner/neighbor into
the other pair coming at us diagonally from the next hands four.
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Alan Winston <wins...@slac.stanford.edu>wrote:
Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's role in a men-allemande
star promenade is also often really unsatisfying. Something like 20% of
the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just let go of me as soon as
they've picked up their partner; 70% hold on but stop giving weight either
immediately or before the promenade part is omplete, and it's no more than
10% who give me a satisfying connection all through the promenade and a
positive push off at the right time.
(And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
them step ahead. Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
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and what happens half the time is more like this
Z
I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful when
they work.)
-- Alan
On 10/3/2013 11:52 AM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star
promenade was called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples,
only two other ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl. All
the gents and we three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it. And
no, it was not a line packed with newbies. I have had similar issues
before. Women often don't weight an allemande enough, let alone do things
like push off to twirl out. So if you write it into the dance, the only
time it will likely be well danced in my region is at festivals. I doubt
my experience is singular. A groan and much chatter arose from the floor
as we realized what was about to happen.
Andrea
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On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt <dhuntdan...@aol.com> wrote:
I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has
the "men turn out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again". The
Texas Star is a four couple star Promenade.
There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to
initiate a star promenade, so you're in good company. Happy composing...
Donna Hunt
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From: Maia McCormick <maia....@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:05 am
Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would
it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
Cheers,
Maia
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