I remember how it was when I was starting to dance. It was tremendous 
information overload. So much to remember and perform, seemingly all at once. 

\Bob

> On Jul 8, 2019, at 18:30, jim saxe via Callers 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On May 18, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Rich Dempsey via Callers 
> <[email protected]> wrote, regarding flat-hand allemanders:
> 
>> ... I still don't understand what those people are thinking. 
> 
> The question of "what those people are thinking" often comes to my mind in 
> relation to dance style points in general.  A caller (whether myself or 
> someone else) describes something in terms that seem crystal clear; the thing 
> they are suggesting is something simple (e.g., "straight wrist, bent 
> fingers", as contrasted to, say, a complicated choreographic pattern or a 
> long footwork sequence in 11/8 time); perhaps they even do a demonstration 
> and specifically call dancers' attention to the details they mean to 
> demonstrate ("Notice how my fingers ..."); and yet, once the music starts, a 
> large number of dancers do something different from what the caller 
> suggested.  What on earth are all those people thinking?
> 
> When a caller's attempt to put something across to a group of dancers isn't 
> very successful, it seems to me that figuring out *why* can be an important 
> first step toward coming up with a better approach to teaching that thing in 
> the future--or toward having better judgment in the future about whether or 
> not to attempt to teach that particular thing  (whether it's a styling 
> nuance, an unfamiliar figure, a complete dance sequence, or whatever) in any 
> particular situation.
> 
> So I'd like to get your thoughts about figuring out what's going on when a 
> caller's attempt to teach a style point fall flat.  What sorts of things do 
> you think the nonconforming dancers might be thinking?  How do you try to 
> judge what the most significant issues are in any particular case, so that 
> you can decide what to do differently next time?  (I'm pretty sure it 
> wouldn't be productive to go around cornering different dancers and saying, 
> "Hey, <name>, I noticed that in that dance where I made a big point of 
> teaching people to do such-and-such, you kept doing so-and-so. What's up with 
> that?")  Can you offer any specific stories about how you diagnosed a 
> difficulty in putting across a particular style point (whether about 
> allemandes or anything else) and how you improved your presentation later?
> 
> For anyone who feels like wading through more of my musings, below are some 
> possible reasons I've thought of that dancers might not follow a caller's 
> styling advice.  Some of them may overlap or interact with others, and 
> perhaps some of you can think of other important possibilities that I've 
> omitted.  I don't have any great ideas to offer about how to judge which of 
> the possibilities listed below apply in any particular situation.  I welcome 
> your comments.
> 
> --Jim
> 
> 1. *Intentional rebellion*:  Some dancers may get the vibe that "the caller 
> is criticizing us" or "the caller thinks (s)he knows our idea of fun better 
> than we do."  They may find this presumption on the part of the caller 
> extremely off-putting and may decide to show the pompous twit who's boss by 
> visibly disobeying.  [While it may be tempting to assume intentional 
> rebellion as the explanation when you see dancers apparently making no effort 
> to follow a very clearly explained suggestion from the caller, I think that 
> such instances of outright contrariness are actually quite rare.]
> 
> 2. *Informed dissent*:  The dancers in question really, truly understand the 
> styling the caller is recommending and have really, truly given it a fair 
> try--perhaps more than once, and with a variety of different partners and/or 
> neighbors at one or more previous dance events--but have concluded that they 
> personally prefer a different styling from what the caller is suggesting.  
> Furthermore, they have judged, after due consideration, that they will not 
> impose awkwardness or discomfort on other dancers by using their own 
> preferred styling.  [I certainly must grant respect to the preferences of 
> dancers in this category--and most especially so when they have some frailty 
> or injury that would make it painful to dance in the style recommended by the 
> caller.  However, there are times when informed dissent strikes me as an 
> unlikely explanation for dancer behavior.  In particular, it seems unlikely 
> to me that most of the dancers who allemande with flat hands, straight 
> fingers, and sharply be
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>  wrists can really have given a fair try to the styling with gently curled 
> fingers and straight wrists and found it wanting.  Of course I haven't lived 
> in all those people's bodies.]
> 
> 3. *Genuine ambiguity*:  The caller's words may have been ambiguous, and some 
> dancers may have followed an interpretation that never occurred to the caller 
> but that is just as plausible as the one that the caller intended.  [This 
> situation can occur not only for style suggestions, but also in cases 
> involving the basic choreography of a dance.  To give just one of many, many 
> possible examples, a caller who identifies the role of "first corner" in 
> Contra Corners as "the person to the right of your partner" may think the 
> meaning is obvious, but a new dancer could quite plausibly interpret "the 
> person to the right of your partner" to mean "the person adjacent to your 
> partner's right shoulder".]
> 
> 4. *Weak attention, but with good intention*:  Some dancers might genuinely 
> believe that they are being completely cooperative with the caller when in 
> fact they have not paid careful attention to hearing and interpreting the 
> caller's words.  For example, when some experienced dancers hear a caller 
> start to go into details of styling for some figure, they might assume that 
> the caller is addressing only newer dancers and that they themselves already 
> know how to do whatever it is.  So they may turn their attention to modeling 
> (their idea of) standard styling with the new dancers around them and 
> meanwhile not fully attend to the actual words coming over the P.A. system.  
> [It's easy to dismiss such dancers with expressions like "smug" or 
> "overconfident" or "dancers who imagine themselves to be 'experienced'", but 
> I think we humans have a natural tendency to be only as attentive as we 
> imagine circumstances to warrant.  And our idea of how much attentiveness a 
> situation warrants may be ba
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> d more on habit than on careful intellectual consideration.  Numerous street 
> crossings in London are painted with the words "LOOK RIGHT" just off the curb 
> (or "LOOK LEFT" just off center islands of divided streets) as shown in these 
> photos:
> 
>     
> https://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/600-08639271em-look-right-sign-at-crosswalk-and-speeding-double-decker-bus.jpg
>     https://www.flickr.com/photos/tracyg/4523412014
>     http://www.packingmysuitcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/lookleft.jpg
> 
> That's for the benefit of tourists who genuinely imagine that we're in the 
> habit of looking both ways before crossing a street, when our actual habit 
> may be to look in the direction that we normally expect traffic to come from 
> and then to take a few steps into the street before we look the other way.  
> If people can be less than hyper-vigilant in situations where it can 
> literally be a matter of life and death, it's hardly surprising that we can 
> tune out a little when we imagine that a dance caller is about to go over 
> familiar ground.  By the way, notice the arrows in the photos cited above.  
> Perhaps those are primarily for the benefit of non-English-speaking tourists, 
> but I also think they're a useful addition to the words even for literate 
> native speakers of English.]
> 
> 5. *Verbal/spatial processing issues*:  Some dancers may find it more 
> difficult than others to make sense of a caller's verbal description of a 
> spatial situation.  [As an example, a pair of dancers might have their hands 
> in an allemande hold where the tips of each dancer's fingers are near the 
> other dancer's index finger, approximately as shown in the supposed depiction 
> of arm wrestling at
> 
>     
> http://lowres.cartoonstock.com/property-supply_and_demand-demand-arm_wrestling-real_estate-industrial-bmm0122_low.jpg
> 
> and when the caller says something about each dancer curving their fingers 
> around the other dancer's hand "between the base of the thumb and the wrist", 
> they may simply not make sense of what that could mean.  Similarly, to give 
> an example involving basic choreography rather than styling, when a caller 
> talks about one person in a courtesy turn backing up while the other goes 
> forward, the person who is told to "back up" may be unable to imagine what 
> that could mean except to back completely away from the other dancer.  And if 
> the caller tries to clarify by talking about a "common axis of rotation" or 
> some such thing, it might be like expecting someone who has never seen the 
> inside of a jet engine, or the outside of kangaroo, to make a recognizable 
> drawing of one based on a verbal description.]
> 
> 6. *Mental overload and reversion to habit*:  Some dancers may need to devote 
> so much of their attention to the basic choreography of the dance that they 
> don't have any left over for details of styling, which therefore revert to 
> the habitual.  [I've sometimes danced with new dancer partners who have had a 
> tendency to press their thumb against the back of my hand, for example during 
> circles.  When an opportunity presents--say, while we're waiting out at the 
> top or the bottom of the set--I might tell/show them about how pressing with 
> the thumb is unnecessary, and a bit painful.  The result is sometimes that 
> they keep the thumb out of play for a round or two of the dance but soon go 
> back to pressing it against the back of my hand.  I presume that their 
> attention is all taken up dealing with things like what to do next and who to 
> do it with and the unfamiliarity of things being turned around 180 degrees 
> now that we've come back in after being out at the end, and the thing about 
> what (n
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> ) to do with their thumbs is what ends of getting dropped.]
> 
> 7. *Acoustic issues*: Perhaps the caller chose excellent words to explain a 
> particular style point but some combination of acoustic issues rendered the 
> callers words unintelligible to some of the dancers.  [Issues could include 
> poor room acoustics, poor adjustment of the P.A. system, noise from fans 
> and/or from conversations on the sidelines, poor enunciation, or  poor mic 
> technique.  There could also be dancers who have various degrees of hearing 
> deficits.  Acoustic difficulties can interact with issuers attention (item 4 
> above) and verbal processing (item 5).  One source of distracting noise can 
> be other dancers who begin talking among themselves as soon as they detect 
> that the caller has stopped teaching the essentials of the dance sequence and 
> begun to prattle about styling.]
> 
> 8. *Unseen demo*:  During a demonstration, people might have crowded around 
> so that only the nearest ones had ha clear view.
> 
> 9-?. *???*: What possibilities have I missed?
> 
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