Congratulation! you have just made your point. So criminal is a criminal, it doesn’t matter one part of its past and present different.
> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:23:52 -0700 > Subject: Re: What's Wrong?? It's Hatred > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Please allow me to correct some of the notions in this below reply. > I do agree that there were two factions in the Khmer rouge regime. One > was lead by Pol Pot as you described. And the other ones who escaped > to Vietnam and eventually returned to cambodia with vietnamese > invasion force. > These two forces were parts of the genocide from the very beginning. > None of them was against each other. The reason that one part of it > ran to vietnam because they were about to be arrested and killed. That > was why they went to Vietnam and returned to tople Pol Pot part. > > My friend, > All of them killed cambodians for a couple years before they spoitted. > So to say that there was a part of Khmer Rouge who were against the > genocide is wrong. > > On Aug 24, 6:01 am, Pheng Kim Ving <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Watkeo Kuma, > > > > There were 2 factions in the Khmer Rouge regime: one, led by Pol Pot, > > Ieng Sary, and Krorhorm Samphan, sorry, Khieu Samphan, initiated and > > implemented the genocide; the other consisted of those who opposed the > > genocide. Hun Sen was one of those who opposed the genocide. The > > former Khmer Rouge who opposed the genocide of course are no longer > > Khmer Rouge, and of course they bear no responsibility for the > > genocide. Now the word "Khmer Rouge" refers to only those Khmer Rouge > > who committed or supported the genocide. > > > > Pheng Kim Ving > > > > On Aug 19, 10:29 am, Watkeo Kuma <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Pheng Kim Ving, > > > > > I want to make clear out of your point view over the word, " They and > > > Khmer Rouge". > > > > > Do you meant the presents members of CPP + DK together? > > > > > WK > > > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 02:16:06 -0700 > > > > Subject: Re: What's Wrong?? It's Hatred > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Hello cppamerican cppamerican, > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just > > > > the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed > > > > them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They > > > > killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian > > > > people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, > > > > whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous > > > > regime. > > > > > > Pheng Kim Ving > > > > > > On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > សូមគាំទ្រការអត្ថាធិប្បាយរបស់់លោកPheng Kim Ving! > > > > > វាពិតណាស់ ការសម្លាប់រង្គាលក្រោមរបបកម្ពុជាប្រជាធិបតេយ្យ > > > > > គឺមកពីខ្មែរមកពីពួកខ្មែរក្រហមជ្រុលនិយមខ្លួនឯងហ្នឹង មានផែនការឆ្កួតលីលា > > > > > ដោយពួកគេចង់បានសង្គមមួយស្អាតស្អំល្អឥតខ្ចះ > > > > > យោងទៅតាមពួកនេះ គឺពួកគេត្រូវកម្ចាត់ឲ្យអស់នូវខ្មាំងសត្រូវ > > > > > អ្នកប្រឆាំងបដិវត្ត ពួកនាយទុន ពួកសក្តិភូមិប្រតិកិរិយា > > > > > ជាពិសេសគឺការធ្វើសង្រ្គាមវណ្ណះ។ ការទម្លាក់កំហុស ទៅលើបរទេស > > > > > ថាដែលជាអ្នកញុះញុងបណ្តាលឲ្យមានការសម្លាប់រង្គាលនោះ គឺមិនអាចទទួលយកបានឡើយ > > > > > ។ > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Re:http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc/browse_thread/thread/c159a7a28... > > > > > > > > Suorsdey Loork Khoar Chev, > > > > > > > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) > > > > > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I > > > > > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear > > > > > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, > > > > > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had > > > > > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't > > > > > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer > > > > > > Rouge > > > > > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the > > > > > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have > > > > > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement. > > > > > > > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol > > > > > > Pot > > > > > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused > > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. > > > > > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international > > > > > > community > > > > > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even > > > > > > the > > > > > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's > > > > > > Kampuchea > > > > > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has > > > > > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide. > > > > > > > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in > > > > > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge > > > > > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already > > > > > > witnessed > > > > > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very > > > > > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon > > > > > > of > > > > > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not > > > > > > because > > > > > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and > > > > > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they > > > > > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course > > > > > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about > > > > > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the > > > > > > beginning. > > > > > > > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. > > > > > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the > > > > > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais > > > > > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to > > > > > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t > > > > > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; > > > > > > it > > > > > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who > > > > > > urged > > > > > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees. > > > > > > > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify > > > > > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously > > > > > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only > > > > > > about > > > > > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported > > > > > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this > > > > > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they > > > > > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their > > > > > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the > > > > > > Whites > > > > > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the > > > > > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of > > > > > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit > > > > > > crimes. > > > > > > > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing > > > > > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- > > > > > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and > > > > > > try > > > > > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other > > > > > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill > > > > > > the > > > > > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the > > > > > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, > > > > > > or a > > > > > > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again > > > > > > and > > > > > > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed > > > > > > the > > > > > > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the > > > > > > Cambodian > > > > > > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I > > > > > > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on. > > > > > > > > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers > > > > > > kill > > > > > > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or > > > > > > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can > > > > > > make them kill other Khmers. > > > > > > > > Pheng Kim Ving > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > > Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" group. > > > > > > This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul > > > > > > language. > > > > > > Thank you for your understanding. 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