Dear Kangaroo, “You are getting back in the right track. You can blame Vietnam for anything you want. You cannot change the fact that everything has been done by the hands of Cambodians over Cambodians in Cambodia. No matter how you believe it. This is the fact.You can blame Vietnam all you want. As long as some Cambodians do it over their own people, it is not Vietnam who are guilty. Cambodians are mostly guilty first. They are not victims. Stop blaming others for their own illnesses.”
There seems to be a flaw in this logic. I am not arguing fact here. I merely want to clarify your thinking here. Suppose a driver drives a car and hits (or kills) a pedestrian, in this case, is it the driver at fault or the driver, in your mind, bears no responsibility at all? It is safe to infer from your logic above here that you seem to argue that it was in fact the bumper that actually hits that pedestrian; therefore, the bumper only responsible for the killing. Let’s suppose further that Vietnam was the driver in this case and the Khmer Rouge were the bumpers, in your thinking, does Vietnam bear any responsibility here? Again, I just wanted to test if you have a sound logic. Jay On Aug 30, 11:17 am, kangaroo <[email protected]> wrote: > On Aug 30, 3:06 am, LeHai <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I do not believe that many Khmer blame their problem on Vietnam. But I > > believe that many Khmer suspected that Vietnam had a hand in their > > suffering. There suspicion is not completely unfounded. > > You are getting back in the right track. You can blame Vietnam for > anything you want. You cannot change the fact that everything has been > done by the hands of Cambodians over Cambodians in Cambodia. No matter > how you believe it. This is the fact.You can blame Vietnam all you > want. As long as some Cambodians do it over their own people, it is > not Vietnam who are guilty. Cambodians are mostly guilty first. They > are not victims. > Stop blaming others for their own illnesses. > > > We all know, let's face it, Vietnam wants to colonize Cambodia and > > control it. But modern politic prevents that from outright happening > > so the country maintains a puppet government - supporting it > > logistically, militarily and even through the national assembly. It is > > as good as one merged national assembly really today in Cambodia with > > the amount of training and "experience" sharing that the Communist > > party always seem to impart on their counterpart in the Cambodian > > national assembly. > > Now, let us put this in a perspective. If Vietnam truely want to > colonize Cambodia, and Cambodians allow it to happen, who are > responsible for Cambodia? > If Vietnam was behind the killing during the Khmer Rouge regime, and > Khmer Rouge Cambodians killed their own people in millions, who are > responsible for that? > Shall we blame on Vietnam if we all agree that Vietanmese are all > behind those scenerios? > How about those who carried the acts? > Are they not Cambodians? > If they are, aren't they responsible for their own acts? > > > we know Nam Tien is a Vietnamese manifesto to control the region of > > Indochina. Hate or not, this fact won't disappear depend on how Khmer > > feel toward Vietnam. Khmer have every reason to fear from their more > > powerful neighbor. They have the loss of Kampuchea Krom to remind them > > of the truth of Vietnam friendship. It is not as the Khmer people just > > came out of the blue and start resenting Vietnam for no reason. Don't > > be naive. > > Vietnamese can take over Cambodia as long as Cambodians allow it. > The situation in Cambodia is not that. We have seen it again and again > that only Cambodians fight each other endlessly with other nations > behind them. We saw Cambodians used USA, China, Vietnam etc.... to > destroy their own people in their own country. Who are responsible for > those things? > > Let me give you an example. Lon Nol decided to negotiated with > Sihanouk for the sake of Cambodia. But Sihanouk had none of it because > he knew that his coalition was going to win. He didn't choose a > peaceful way. Yet, he is the father of Cambodia. This is the kind of > mentality that a good country should have. > > > As political prisoner after the war was over, we were taught in the > > reeducation camp that Sihanouk was the only impediment to full > > colonization of Cambodia. Today, that doesn't seem to be a problem, > > Sihanouk is as good as dead to Vietnam now, he present no opposition > > to anything. In fact, he doesn't even dare come visit many of us > > Khmer living in Vietnam to see how we were doing or raise about our > > concerns of living standard when he made trip to Vietnam. > > > On Aug 17, 10:21 pm, kangaroo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Do you know that some Cambodians blame Vietnam for their own > > > illnesses? > > > How bad can it be? > > > Cambodians must be idiots to allow Vietnamese dictate their lives and > > > the fate of Cambodia. > > > As far as we understand some of those people, we know that Cambodians > > > are not supposed to do anything wrong to their own country. It must be > > > the Vietnamese thing. > > > What kind of people are they? > > > > On Aug 17, 8:44 am, Thavary Ung <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Lo Bong Khor Chev, > > > > Do you know Yuon slave like to accuse the Khmer Nationalist as a Khmer > > > > Kro > > > > Hoam or a Khmer Kbatt Cheat? > > > > > Look at Preas Dech-cha Kun Tim Sakhan. Lok at Ek U-dom Sam Raingsy, and > > > > many-many Khmer Nationalist. > > > > > OrKun, > > > > Thavary > > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Khoar Chev <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Kim Ving, > > > > > Think, when I said I used to fight side by side ( Not under samak > > > > > mitt Nal > > > > > command, which today known as Hun Sen ) you should be able to tell > > > > > what was > > > > > my rank, the different between my comrade and I was he good in > > > > > kissing Yuon > > > > > ass for power but me, I am good in getting myself off the hook or > > > > > trouble. > > > > > In the night that I escaped I disguised myself as a civilian, and you > > > > > know I > > > > > ran so fast, you should ask mitt Nal, as a KR fighter along the > > > > > Mekong River, we got used to running everyday, we ran away from the > > > > > combat > > > > > ship, patrol boat of the Khmer Navy, we ran to cover ourselves from > > > > > the T28 > > > > > bomber, F-105, F-111... > > > > > as I said before that night I wore only khoar chev, no Calvin Klein > > > > > underwear at that time, I had to throw away all my weapons but able to > > > > > hide 3 mini hand grenades for emergency use. and no kidding, I ran so > > > > > fast > > > > > that I counld'nt even noticed that when my khoar chev was fell off. > > > > > You are > > > > > right, I should not hate the Vietnamese, they were our mentor, > > > > > without them > > > > > trained us, we could'nt even fire an AK47, we would'nt have > > > > > capability to > > > > > kill our own people, but kater we smelled something wrong, we smelled > > > > > that > > > > > Yuon used us to fight Lon Nol and after we won they will takeover > > > > > Cambodia, > > > > > that why we had to separate ourselves from them, and that made them > > > > > mad and > > > > > want to destroy us, but I don't hate yuon girls, don't you? I hate > > > > > Vietnam > > > > > but I don't hate Vietnamese girls/food, I like Viets banh beo, and I > > > > > knew > > > > > you like too, you ate almost everyday when you were in refugees camp > > > > > in > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > Kim Ving, you are right again, if mitt Nal get me, he won't keep > > > > > me, > > > > > but I'm a little smarter than Ta Mok, I value Ta Mok higher than Mitt > > > > > Nal > > > > > because Ta Mok don't give up > > > > > a damn to Yuon like mitt Nal, Ta Mok fell into mitt Nal's (Hun Sen) > > > > > trick, HS tricked him by invited him to one of his kid's wedding then > > > > > captured him later, when Ta Mok found out, it was too late, but he > > > > > still > > > > > not give up his position toward Yuon, in jail, Ta Mok complained, " > > > > > Min > > > > > yuthethoar teh! si kuy teav muoy tok oay ah Mok chenh te aing ", the > > > > > King, > > > > > HS and Yuon knew that if they keep Ta Mok, when take him to trial in > > > > > court > > > > > he will reveal the truth and you know the truth are pain in the ass > > > > > for those people that why they had to destroy Ta Mok before he can be > > > > > brought to court. Back to myself " Khoar Chev ", I had had enought, I > > > > > don't > > > > > want anything from Yuon or HS anymore, so I don't fall into their > > > > > trap, I > > > > > play safe game, I went back to see my former comrade Nal many times > > > > > but he > > > > > did not know it, this guy is a coward not as brave as everybody > > > > > thought, he > > > > > strong because he is cruel, but he is indeed a coward, one time > > > > > during a " > > > > > Somphoat new ti snakkah kanak roattmontrei that was a gift from > > > > > China, he > > > > > tested to see if the building is safe for him, he kicked into the > > > > > wall ( > > > > > similar to drywall material ) and he broke it, he was not happy, he > > > > > said > > > > > " ...song akear ei kmean sovattapheap sos, he afraid he would get > > > > > shot and > > > > > killed if he use that office and someone try to kill him, so he don't > > > > > use > > > > > that one, he ordered to build a new one which much more stronger and > > > > > safe. > > > > > Well, it's breakfast time, let stop my story right here, I'll go get > > > > > my > > > > > Cafee Seur Da and banh beo......choy euy! > > > > > > *Khoar Chev* *( Made in Cambodia )* > > > > > > --- On *Tue, 8/17/10, Pheng Kim Ving <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > > > > From: Pheng Kim Ving <[email protected]> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: SOM NIYEAY PHÂNG! > > > > > To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 2:47 AM > > > > > > Dear Khoar Chev, > > > > > > It's indeed wonderful that you confess that you're a Khmer Rouge. I > > > > > don't know your exact rank in the Khmer Rouge hierarchy, but based on > > > > > your last post, it probably wasn't very high. So if you're brought to > > > > > justice, you'll be sentenced to probably about 3 months at the most in > > > > > jail, or perhaps you'll be pardoned if you didn't murder any innocent > > > > > Cambodian during the Khmer Rouge regime or if you can convince the > > > > > court that you didn't. > > > > > > I wasn't very intelligent when I suspected you're a Khmer Rouge. Even > > > > > kids will believe that you're a Khmer Rouge, based on your deep hatred > > > > > against Vietnam and the Vietnamese race. > > > > > > Now, I'm bewildered by one aspect: the Khmer Rouge's "Angkar Leur" in > > > > > Phnom Penh tried to arrest you, you ran for your life. They would most > > > > > likely have killed you if they had succeeded in arresting you. Vietnam > > > > > destroyed them, thus liberating you from the threat of death. So why > > > > > do you hate Vietnam for having destroyed the Khmer Rouge regime?? > > > > > > Pheng Kim Ving > > > > > > On Aug 16, 10:26 am, Khoar Chev > > > > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi kid, > > > > > > Yeah, you know I'm a Kmher Rouge huh? You are very intelligent > > > > > > indeed! > > > > > > I used to fight side by side with my comrade commander Hun Sen in > > > > > > the > > > > > eastern of Mekong River, but he was the best in kissing Viets ass, > > > > > later the > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. 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