What's strange to me, and perhaps to others, is that the bookmark manager is now essentially a big modal dialogue -- and I don't think people always use bookmarks modally.
The current manager, taking up the entire window, is really useful for managing bookmarks but a bit irritating for visiting them. To use an extreme example, if you wanted to open a bookmark from the bookmark menu, one from the history, and one from the address book all in tabs, you'd have to reopen the bookmark manager for each one. Certainly a standalone window would be better in this respect, although it introduces screen real estate concerns. Would a sidebar pane (as in Firefox and IE, or the sidebar of the current manager) have the same implementation problems as the drawer did? -N -----Original Message----- From: marion moon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Dec 30, 2004 12:03 PM To: Camino List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Camino] Bookmark sidebar navigation Steve, I second your comments -- I too find using the BM when visiting some sites disconcerting. Marion Moon --- Steve Benner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 11:09 pm -0500 21/12/04, Mike Pinkerton wrote: > > >[snip] > >For these reasons, it had to go. It is an old > argument. People have > >said to me "I must have the sidebar, you lost me as > a user". That's > >nice, drive through. The solution isn't easy. Maybe > a standalone > >window might be a good option. That's a future > extension that i'm > >kicking around in the back of my head. > > > > I never really use bookmarks much myself -- such > things as I visit on > the web are usually of such fleeting interest to me > that the thought > of managing an accumulated list of things that have > held my interest > for a time leaves me cold -- so I've never really > taken much notice > of Camino's Bookmark Manager. Just recently, > though, I've had > occasion to use it once or twice and I would like to > point out one > feature that it has that currently makes its use > less than intuitive. > > As it stands (2004122908 (v0.8+)), when invoked, the > Bookmark Manager > takes over the entire currently active Camino > window. This means > that when using Camino in tabbed mode (i.e. with > more than one active > tab) the BM content replaces not only the currently > viewed web page > but also the row of tabs. The result is that the > user gets the > impression that the BM has opened in a new window. > > Personally, I find it is not intuitive to use the > same operation as > got me here (click on Bookmarks icon, or toggle > Bookmarks | Show/Hide > All Bookmarks) to reverse the operation when the > operation gives the > impression that it opened a new window. > Consequently, I find that I > usually dismiss the entire Camino window without > thinking about it > when I've finished with the Bookmark Manager -- only > to curse roundly > when I discover that this lost me my entire opened > tab-set. > > I would suggest the following changes need to be > considered here: > > 1. Either the BM should open cleanly in a separate > window, or a new tab > > OR > > 2. It needs to indicate far more clearly that it has > put the browser > into some new "mode"--perhaps hide most things in > the toolbar except > Back and Bookmarks, for instance? At the very > least, the Bookmarks > icon should indicate its 'latched' state so that it > becomes visually > obvious that releasing it will restore the browser > to its previous > state. > > Just my tuppen'orth :) > > -Steve > _______________________________________________ > Camino mailing list > [email protected] > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/camino > _______________________________________________ Camino mailing list [email protected] http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/camino _______________________________________________ Camino mailing list [email protected] http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/camino
