We're putting the bookmark manager in tabs instead of having it take
over the whole window. Just waiting until one of us has time to make a
patch.

-Josh Aas

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:30:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Noemi Millman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's strange to me, and perhaps to others, is that the bookmark manager is 
> now essentially a big modal dialogue -- and I don't think people always use 
> bookmarks modally.
> 
> The current manager, taking up the entire window, is really useful for 
> managing bookmarks but a bit irritating for visiting them.  To use an extreme 
> example, if you wanted to open a bookmark from the bookmark menu, one from 
> the history, and one from the address book all in tabs, you'd have to reopen 
> the bookmark manager for each one.
> 
> Certainly a standalone window would be better in this respect, although it 
> introduces screen real estate concerns. Would a sidebar pane (as in Firefox 
> and IE, or the sidebar of the current manager) have the same implementation 
> problems as the drawer did?
> 
> -N
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marion moon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Dec 30, 2004 12:03 PM
> To: Camino List <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Camino] Bookmark sidebar navigation
> 
> Steve, I second your comments -- I too find using the
> BM when visiting some sites disconcerting.
> 
> Marion Moon
> --- Steve Benner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > At 11:09 pm -0500 21/12/04, Mike Pinkerton wrote:
> >
> > >[snip]
> > >For these reasons, it had to go. It is an old
> > argument. People have
> > >said to me "I must have the sidebar, you lost me as
> > a user". That's
> > >nice, drive through. The solution isn't easy. Maybe
> > a standalone
> > >window might be a good option. That's a future
> > extension that i'm
> > >kicking around in the back of my head.
> > >
> >
> > I never really use bookmarks much myself -- such
> > things as I visit on
> > the web are usually of such fleeting interest to me
> > that the thought
> > of managing an accumulated list of things that have
> > held my interest
> > for a time leaves me cold -- so I've never really
> > taken much notice
> > of Camino's Bookmark Manager.  Just recently,
> > though, I've had
> > occasion to use it once or twice and I would like to
> > point out one
> > feature that it has that currently makes its use
> > less than intuitive.
> >
> > As it stands (2004122908 (v0.8+)), when invoked, the
> > Bookmark Manager
> > takes over the entire currently active Camino
> > window.  This means
> > that when using Camino in tabbed mode (i.e. with
> > more than one active
> > tab) the BM content replaces not only the currently
> > viewed web page
> > but also the row of tabs.  The result is that the
> > user gets the
> > impression that the BM has opened in a new window.
> >
> > Personally, I find it is not intuitive to use the
> > same operation as
> > got me here (click on Bookmarks icon, or toggle
> > Bookmarks | Show/Hide
> > All Bookmarks) to reverse the operation when the
> > operation gives the
> > impression that it opened a new window.
> > Consequently, I find that I
> > usually dismiss the entire Camino window without
> > thinking about it
> > when I've finished with the Bookmark Manager -- only
> > to curse roundly
> > when I discover that this lost me my entire opened
> > tab-set.
> >
> > I would suggest the following changes need to be
> > considered here:
> >
> > 1. Either the BM should open cleanly in a separate
> > window, or a new tab
> >
> > OR
> >
> > 2. It needs to indicate far more clearly that it has
> > put the browser
> > into some new "mode"--perhaps hide most things in
> > the toolbar except
> > Back and Bookmarks, for instance?  At the very
> > least, the Bookmarks
> > icon should indicate its 'latched' state so that it
> > becomes visually
> > obvious that releasing it will restore the browser
> > to its previous
> > state.
> >
> > Just my tuppen'orth   :)
> >
> > -Steve
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