>
> My question is "difficult compared to what?" If the team spent half
> of its time programming and the other half on learning (repetitively
> refactoring the same code, deliberately writing too many tests, 
> trying out all the continuous integration products, etc.), they
> could be more productive than a waterfall, socially-stratified
> project (what I'm  imagining as the alternative) and still learn
> quickly. It would go better with a competent coach but it's 
> possible with self-directed learning too.
> 
In the experince I was referring to, the team was not given time 
enough time to learn and reflect on what they were doing.  Partially 
that was my fault (I was the coach) - I did not understand the need 
for more time to learn in the beginning.  Partially that was 
management's fault as well - people came into work on eday and were 
expected to be doing this new process AND all the other work we had 
to do.  I should have known better, but my enthusiasm and lack of 
experience worked against me.

I agree with you self-directed learning is possible, but it is like 
any self-study/correspondence course - you get out of it what you put 
into it.  If the people who are participating want to get a lot out 
of the experience, the experience will be very good.  

Carlton





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