My question is "difficult compared to what?" If the team spent half of its time programming and the other half on learning (repetitively refactoring the same code, deliberately writing too many tests, trying out all the continuous integration products, etc.), they could be more productive than a waterfall, socially-stratified project (what I'm imagining as the alternative) and still learn quickly. It would go better with a competent coach but it's possible with self-directed learning too.
Kent Beck Three Rivers Institute > -----Original Message----- > From: banshee858 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [XP] Re: new in XP > > > > > > > > Do you think that is even very difficult to get a group of 10 > > inexperienced programmers to learn XP and get used to the practices > > like TDD and pair programming?. And also, do you think is good to > > start this challenge with a course on XP and a pilot project? > > > I don't know what Ken's answer will be, but my experience in this > situation is not to do it. I tried exactly what you described and it > did not work. I would not recommend it if you want to keep your job > and your sanity. > > That said, if you think you understand how to make this transition, > definitely take some time to give the participants a short course on > XP. I would recommend sending everyone to an XP immersion and > getting an experienced coach to help you after that. If your > organization is not willing to support that, you will have to rely on > your powers of persuasion to maintain the transition. > > If you mind me asking, will you be the individual leading up this XP > transition? Also, have you ever done this or worked on an XP team > before? If you are and you have no XP experience, I would recommend > a team of four people interested in making this work, not ten random > people tossed together. Start small since you will have an > opportunity to make mistakes. In a large group, there will be people > just waiting for you to fail and they will be the first ones to try > to torpedo your efforts. To Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
