--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "banshee858"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Do you think that is even very difficult to get a group of 10
> > inexperienced programmers to learn XP and get used to the practices
> > like TDD and pair programming?. And also, do you think is good to
> > start this challenge with a course on XP and a pilot project?
> >
> I don't know what Ken's answer will be, but my experience in this
> situation is not to do it. I tried exactly what you described and it
> did not work. I would not recommend it if you want to keep your job
> and your sanity.
>
> That said, if you think you understand how to make this transition,
> definitely take some time to give the participants a short course on
> XP. I would recommend sending everyone to an XP immersion and
> getting an experienced coach to help you after that. If your
> organization is not willing to support that, you will have to rely on
> your powers of persuasion to maintain the transition.
Let's qualify this a bit. There are a number
of university professors who are having quite
a bit of success using XP in CS projects.
Students that haven't been heavily exposed
to "standard" methodologies don't have anything
to unlearn. However, what they're getting is
students that actually complete projects,
not projects that are very good. Turning
out good work requires experiance, and
that's what students don't have.
However, it's going to take time to learn
the basic software development techniques:
TDD especially will take several weeks for
the average developer to "get it." Once
he's gotten it, he's usually not going to
go back, but there is a learning curve.
So ten developers that are self-motivated
to learn XP, ***and*** that have a good
appreciation that there is a significant
learning curve to climb could well do it.
But the likelyhood of finding those ten
is pretty low.
John Roth
> Carlton
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