So are you saying we should move our development threads there for now? I think it should be enough to just use it for our users mailing list for a few weeks, because it won't be easy to move those discussions back to google groups if we decide to come back. The users list has a wide variety of discussion topics with people of interest in and commitment to castle so we should get some good feedback pretty quickly.
I did set up a 'Users' forum, with a few sub forums (General, Windsor, ActiveRecord, MonoRail). Do you think this is enough? Personally, I want to see how the notification emails look, how it interacts with conversations in gmail, how quickly the emails get out, mainly because I still think that it is much quicker to reply to a discussion in my email client than on a web site. And from a web based side of things, I want to see how well the different type of topics work and how fast the web app is because the custom ajax loading thing is already taking a little too long. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:51 PM, John Simons <[email protected]>wrote: > Guys, If we are going to first set up a test forum to see for > ourselves, I suggest in that case that we should actually move this > discussion list to there so that we give it a good and fair go. > We don't need to retire this mailing list, so we keep both active, but > we use Zoho as the main discussion list from now on. > If we then don't think zoho is for us, we resume here. > > Thoughts? > > > On Jan 25, 8:34 pm, Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> wrote: > > OK. I'll contact Zoho to set up an open source account. > > > > 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> > > > > > I'm at work right now, so I can't really do it. > > > So if you or John want to step up, be my guest. > > > > > Krzysztof > > > > > On 25 Sty, 09:19, Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I agree. If it works well then we can continue using it and get our > data > > > > migrated, if it doesn't we provide feedback so they can improve it. > > > > > > I assume either you Krzysztof (because you brought it up) or John is > > > going > > > > to create an account. > > > > > > 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> > > > > > > > I say we give it a shot. > > > > > Let's set up a test forum and see for ourselves, and then we decide > > > > > whether we make the move or not. > > > > > > > On 25 Sty, 06:18, John Simons <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > So what is the verdict, are we going to move the user's mailing > list > > > > > > to Zoho? > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > On Jan 23, 9:58 pm, Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think it might just be that we haven't had a chance to play > with > > > Zoho > > > > > to > > > > > > > know if it really suits our needs. I like UV because it has > been > > > > > working > > > > > > > really well for us. Does the ideas page in Zoho allow you to > sort > > > by > > > > > votes, > > > > > > > I couldn't find anything for this? > > > > > > > > > Krzysztof asked the following. Dhan, are you able to provide > any > > > > > details of > > > > > > > whether Zoho has the functionality to add a poll into an > existing > > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if such voting +1/-1/0 functionality is built > in > > > into > > > > > Zoho ;D > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Dhan > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What specific feature of User Voice are you looking at? We > have a > > > > > > > > feedback widget that can be popped up either by links or via > a > > > > > > > > contrast colored floater widget. What other features of User > > > Voice is > > > > > > > > a show stopper for your needs? > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 23, 2:47 pm, Krzysztof Koźmic < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm +1, > > > > > > > > > We don't have the abandon the google group just yet, > although > > > if we > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > going with Zoho > > > > > > > > > as we gradually customize it to our needs, I think we'll > all > > > find > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > more useful than google. > > > > > > > > > > > Also as Jono mentioned it looks like at the moment > uservoice is > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > at where they overlap > > > > > > > > > so we might want to stick to uservoice for some time after > > > that, > > > > > and see > > > > > > > > > how things develop. > > > > > > > > > > > The UV-like functionality in Zoho was just added. > > > > > > > > > > > Krzysztof. > > > > > > > > > > > (PS) > > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if such voting +1/-1/0 functionality is built > in > > > into > > > > > Zoho > > > > > > > > ;D > > > > > > > > > > > On 2010-01-23 10:31, Roelof Blom wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:20 AM, John Simons > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] <mailto: > > > [email protected]>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes we can just start with the users mailing list, > but I > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > eventually bring both across because of the number of > > > extra > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > > Zoho provide us. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would not say that development mailing list is > serving > > > us > > > > > that > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > either. I think it has the same problem of not being > able > > > to > > > > > tag > > > > > > > > > > discussions per topic and the way we do voting, and > it > > > has no > > > > > way > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > subscribing to discussion topics. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think both lists would benefit from the features > Zoho > > > > > provides. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 23, 3:02 pm, Jonathon Rossi < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So are we talking about changing only the users > mailing > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > > > > development mailing list. I agree the users mailing > > > list > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > fit our > > > > > > > > > > > users very well, however the development mailing > list > > > works > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:47 PM, John Simons > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] <mailto: > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about everyone's experience with the > > > google > > > > > > > > > > mailing list, > > > > > > > > > > > > but in my opinion it doesn't meet our > requirements, > > > > > specially > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The majority of threads in the User's mailing > list is > > > > > "How do > > > > > > > > > > I do X?" > > > > > > > > > > > > and then someone posts a solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with this is that we have no idea > what > > > the > > > > > question > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > about until we read it and if the solution is > correct > > > or > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Begin able to tag questions per topic (same way > SO > > > does > > > > > it) > > > > > > > > > > and mark > > > > > > > > > > > > them as solved is essential for any support > system > > > (like > > > > > it or > > > > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > > > > > users mailing list is our support system) , > Actually > > > > > people to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > around this limitation have started using the > title > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > post as a > > > > > > > > > > > > tagging mechanism eg [MonoRail] or > [ActiveRecord]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This limitation is also creating a lot of > repeated > > > > > > > > > > questions/answers, > > > > > > > > > > > > if you don;t believe me do a bit of browsing on > the > > > users > > > > > > > > mailing > > > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I would like to turn this thread into a > voting > > > one, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > propose > > > > > > > > > > > > that we cast a vote to change mailing list to > > > something > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > meets our requirements and in turn give out > > > Users/Clients > > > > > a > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 from me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 22, 12:04 am, Krzysztof Koźmic (2) < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > In order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. When you look at it, most questions on User > > > group > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > from one-to- > > > > > > > > > > > > > few times visitors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > They can then either subscribe to rss feeds or > > > > > notifications > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > topics they've started > > > > > > > > > > > > > or just see that through web interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Do you know if you can convert a question > into a > > > > > problem? > > > > > > > > > > - No I > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't. We'd have to check. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Only problem is that I think UV is nicer. - > I > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Do you know if Zoho has an option like > google > > > groups > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > email you > > > > > > > > > > > > > each email that arrives which you can then > reply > > > to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure they do. 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