Hi Tim,
I just had a conversation with somebody who pointed that out to me, that
tells you how much I use the GUI :-)
Thanks,
Juergen
Tim Grune wrote:
As long as I have been using the ccp4i (which has been a couple of
years now), this magic button has been there, and it has even been in
the 'lower left corner': When you hold your mouse button on the "Run"
button, a submenu appears, the second item of which is saying
"Run&View com file". This opens an editable window with the script
used to run the ccp4-program.
This, by the way, is very handy for setting the matrix weight in
Refmac5 to 'auto', as recommended by the authors of ARP/wARP.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Rowlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:44:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI
I think a "tweak script" button or option (before running) would
be an excellent idea.
Cheers,
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-----Original Message-----
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Juergen Bosch
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI
Hi Martyn,
how about option c:
in each gui window at the lower left corner have a button called
"Display script", or call it "Expert Mode" if people feel better as
"Experts" :-) , before running of course. Then people who would
like to
edit their stuff could do so before running the script. I think it
would
be scary to many if the "Expert Mode" actually would display all
other
options available for that particular program - for this you have
the RTFM*
I tend to use the GUI only for standard stuff and keep migrating my
scripts from directories to directories, which if you run a search on
say e.g. "refmac." spits out a ton of handcrafted scripts for each
project - maybe also not the best thing to do, but that's how it is.
Juergen
* Fine of course, what else !
Martyn Winn wrote:
>This is timely. We're in the process of a) trying to organise a
major
>effort to tidy up the existing ccp4i classic (rather than
fire-fighting
>problems), and b) thinking about designing the next generation. Not
>sure which this is. Option b) would be a project over several years.
>
>Can you elucidate further. As an expert user, would you want a less
>scary free text box (which is essentially what Run&View Com File
is),
>or actual widgets for every option. The latter could be done as a
>hidden folder, made visible according to an Expert switch in
>Preferences.
>
>As developers, we also have to think about long-term
maintainability.
>Options, in particular little-used options, can soon become
>out-of-date.
>
>m
>
>
>On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 12:41 +0200, Miguel Ortiz Lombardia wrote:
>
>
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>>Dear all,
>>
>>I'm a well-known luddite as Eleanor says. However, I shamelessly
>>confess that the CCP4 GUI is great. Not that I think this is
necessary
>>here, I'm sure most people agree with that.
>>
>>If I write now is because Martynn's e-mail have reminded me of
>>something I thought once, but forgot to ask for to the ccp4i
>>developpers: perhaps the GUI could have "two faces/modes", a
basic one
>>and an expert/advanced one. I understand that they already
exist, but
>>the "expert" one is hidden under the "Run&View Com File", while I'm
>>thinking on a real expert GUI-mode. Users should be able to
choose one
>>or the other in their defaults, or switch from one to the other
>>on-the-fly.
>>
>>I don't have a particular problem in editing the scripts as it
is done
>>now, but I have found that students tend to get a bit nervous about
>>doing it themselves ;-)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>
>>Miguel
>>
>>Martyn Winn escribió:
>>
>>
>>>The level of detail in the GUI is a matter of constant debate. The
>>>underlying programs are far far richer, so the question is how
much
>>>to expose in the GUI. We try to get a balance between
ease-of-use and
>>>coverage, but it won't always work. BTW I don't think we ever
claimed
>>>that ccp4i (or anything else in ccp4) is "finished" ;-)
>>>
>>>Having said that, we're always happy to hear about specific
defects
>>>in the GUI. When reporting these to [EMAIL PROTECTED] please give
as much
>>>information as possible, in particular knowing the context is
always
>>>helpful.
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>Martyn
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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Jürgen Bosch
University of Washington
Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426
1705 NE Pacific Street
Seattle, WA 98195
Box 357742
Phone: +1-206-616-4510
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University of Washington
Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426
1705 NE Pacific Street
Seattle, WA 98195
Box 357742
Phone: +1-206-616-4510
FAX: +1-206-685-7002
