On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:37:50 +1000, Greg Ungerer wrote:

> There are so many :-)
> Its difficult to follow too many at any given time. But I often go
> looking through mailing list archives in areas of the kernel I am
> working on. You can quickly get a feel for how active the area is,
> what people are working on, and even who is involved.

Speaking of mailing list archives, I find all of them very clunky to
use. The other day, I wanted to follow the f2fs discussion on
fsdevel@ / LKML, and I am not a subscriber of those ones. So, you have
the choice with:

 * Gmane. Has a nice framed interface showing the threads, but it only
   shows 30 or 50 e-mails per page, and then to move between pages with
   a big drop down list with number from 1 to 9823987. It is /very/
   unpractical to find something.

 * lkml.org. The representation of the thread on the left is very
   confusing, as it doesn't show the entire thread but only part of it,
   so you're quickly lost as to where you are in the thread.

 * spinics.net. This is the one I find the most usable in fact, just a
   basic mailing list archive. The only drawback is that threads are
   split by months so when a discussion spans a month boundary, it gets
   very difficult to follow the thread.

 * marc.info. Never understood how one could use this. No threading,
   only 20-30 e-mails shown per page, I think I never managed to find
   anything with marc.info.

In the end, I end up subscribing to many mailing list, because I find
my e-mail client to be a more efficient archive-browsing tool. But I'd
really like to have a good and efficient web interface to navigate
through mailing list archives.

The other thing that bothers me is how difficult it is to go from one
e-mail received from a public mailing list you're reading in your e-mail
client to a link to that e-mail in the corresponding archives so that
you can point others to this e-mail easily. It would be _really_ nice
if mailing list software could support RFC5064
(http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5064.txt) by adding an Archived-At:
field in the e-mail headers, which directly contains a link to this
e-mail in the online archive. RFC5064:

1.  Introduction

   [RFC2369] defines a number of header fields that can be added to
   Internet messages such as those sent by email distribution lists or
   in netnews [RFC1036].  One of them is the List-Archive header field
   that describes how to access archives for the list.  This allows
   access to the archives as a whole, but not an individual message.

   There is often a need or desire to refer to the archived form of a
   single message.  For more detailed usage scenarios, please see
   Section 3.3.  This memo defines a new header, Archived-At, to refer
   to a single message at an archived location.  This provides quick
   access to the location of a mailing list message in the list archive.
   It can also be used independently of mailing lists, for example in
   connection with legal requirements to archive certain messages.

It would be really great to have that, at least on all mailing list
hosted at vger.kernel.org, and if possible other kernel mailing lists
as well, such as the ones hosted at infradead.org.

Best regards,

Thomas
-- 
Thomas Petazzoni, Free Electrons
Kernel, drivers, real-time and embedded Linux
development, consulting, training and support.
http://free-electrons.com
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