See below... Andrew Miller wrote: > David Nickerson wrote: >>>>> I see the project team is being the core management team for the CellML >>>>> project - essentially the group that should be making the decisions when >>>>> consensus can't be reached and setting the goals for the future of the >>>>> CellML project. Although I'm really not too sure who would be included >>>>> in such a group. >>>>> >>>>> >>> At present, CellML meetings are open to anyone who wants to attend >>> (although obviously the fact that they are held in Auckland limits that >>> set from a lot of people who want to attend), and 'final' decisions are >>> made at the meetings by whoever turns up. >>> >> I would really like to see a move away from this toward an actual >> project management team. The current approach seems a bit too arbitrary >> to me. >> > That does then create issues about who to include in this list (and what > to do if people are away), which is always contentious ground. The > current approach works well, so why change it?
What current approach exactly are you talking about? The reason for changing it is to use the project team page as a sort of help page. Peter is keen on this being implemented and we're just discussing the best way to do it. At present I'm leaning towards the original idea - just collecting some information about the key people in the CellML project team, and providing that information, along with email addresses, and a strong encouragement to use the cellml-discussion mailing list. There is then the issue of whether we use our own email addresses or @cellml.org addresses. Andre is keen on the latter, and I agree. > >> >>> In terms of the policy for allocating addresses, we don't want to become >>> a free e-mail redirection host for anyone on the Internet, but I think >>> as long as someone at least has some connection with CellML, they should >>> be allowed an alias (subject to review of what that alias is to ensure >>> it is unlikely to cause confusion or conflict with future lists / >>> aliases we might want to assign). >>> >>> I suggest that we simply give an @cellml.org alias to anyone who asks >>> for one and has a demonstrated interest of some kind in the CellML >>> project (whether they are a modeller using CellML, a tool developer, or >>> interested in some of the theoretical or mathematical aspects of >>> CellML). Simply providing a form to fill out providing details to list, >>> and having someone briefly review them should be sufficient to keep out >>> people who just want the e-mail alias. >>> >> While I am unsure how much interest or usefulness there is in providing >> such a service, I guess I have no problems with this suggestion. >> Although it will require input from the Auckland IT team as to what is >> required to implement such a service for a larger group than the core >> management team as we were originally discussing. >> > I don't think we are talking about a very large group of people (there > are currently 74 people on the mailing list, and I expect the majority > of them wouldn't want to be listed as being contacted). As long as we > ask that the alias only be used for CellML-related discussion, I don't > see the volume of mail getting out of hand. > > The first problem with the idea of restricting this to the "core > management team" is that there isn't one, and deciding on one is going > to be inherently problematic. > > The second problem is that even if there was a core management team, > they would primarily deal with the maintenance of the CellML > specification and the cellml.org website, and not necessarily domain > specific aspects of creating CellML models. The proposal to provide > people a way to contact each other off-list would probably need to > include people who actually create models of various types to be useful, > and these people wouldn't be on the core management team. >> >>>>>> P.S. Peter is away from today until the 20th July, getting back to the >>>>>> office on the 23rd, if you didn't get the email. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I would like to see this mailing list used as more of place for decision >>>>> making so that things like this shouldn't affect the project. >>>>> >>>>> >>> I think [email protected] is much more appropriate for such >>> discussions than the team-cellml list, to which only e-mails which are >>> unlikely to be relevant outside of the Auckland group should be sent. >>> This has been agreed on at CellML meetings (before you were working on >>> the CellML project), and unless that decision is revisited I think we >>> should all try to abide by it to ensure that no-one outside of Auckland >>> who wants to contribute to CellML is unable to post (the list is >>> publicly indexed so others could read it if they wanted to, but if they >>> are not on the list they might be unaware that discussions are taking >>> place). >>> >> Now that you've redirected this thread to the cellml-discussion list I'm >> really getting confused which mailing lists you are talking about? Last >> time I tried the team-cellml archive was not publicly available outside >> the UoA?? (just tried again, and that hasn't changed.) >> > I was talking about the team-cellml list, but it seems that you are > right: the page itself has no access restrictions on it, but the server > it is on cannot be directly accessed from outside of the University. I > will bring this up at the next meeting to see if we can arrange for the > archives to be made public (this has been discussed before, and we > decided that it should be publicly accessible, although at that time we > thought that it already was accessible). > > Best regards, > Andrew >> >> David. >> _______________________________________________ >> cellml-discussion mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.cellml.org/mailman/listinfo/cellml-discussion >> > > _______________________________________________ > cellml-discussion mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.cellml.org/mailman/listinfo/cellml-discussion _______________________________________________ cellml-discussion mailing list [email protected] http://www.cellml.org/mailman/listinfo/cellml-discussion
