I have been reading the messages with increasing incredulity as well, I had
no idea that America was quite that bad - I have read people talking about
doing things that would get them a substantial jail sentence in the UK, and
justifying it as personal protection. I am also very surprised that using
the police and the law to deal with situations is deemed to be the actions
of wimps - how are the physically weak supposed to protect themselves? Are
they supposed to get out their guns as well?
This will probably reach the list a week after the thread is finished, but I
had to comment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Texidor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: Road Rage Hell
> I've been reading these messages through the day... And without meaning to
> offend anyone on the list... Is America really that bad??? You guys make
it
> sound like everyone's on the verge of boiling over into walking, raging,
> vendetta stalking Charlie Bronson's!! :^)
>
> One question that springs to mind is... Why don't you just walk/drive
away?
> If you ignore it, then maybe the other person will just get bored and get
on
> with their life. Do you have to thump/shoot someone to 'prove yourself a
> man'? I was always brought up to believe that you were more of a man if
you
> could walk away from a fight. What's the point of all the aggression,
> where does it get you? Shot? Beaten beyond recognition... DEAD?
>
> It appears that tempers seem to be simmering wherever you turn nowadays...
> And you'll get punched, or shot, for just looking the wrong way at the
wrong
> moment.
>
> Buying a gun 'because everyone else has one' is bringing yourself down to
> that level. Retaliating with fists is just the same.
>
> Maybe it's because I don't live in a society where everyone you know has a
> gun hidden in the house. Yeah, we have crime, yes we have Road Rage, but
by
> no means on any level that is comparative to what we seem to here about
the
> US. I can only assume that guns are so prolific in the US that there is
> just about nothing you can do to remove them from the street.
>
> I'm not trying to start a flame war, or offend anyway, so forgive me if I
> have. I've just read a lot of comments on the mailing list today that
seem
> to be pro-aggression, and pro-guns. The more people that buy guns, the
less
> chance you ever have of getting rid of them from society, and what does
this
> teach our children? Mum and Dad have guns, so it's ok for me too... And
as
> a result, in the next generation, there won't be a family without a gun...
> What a great future that leaves us and our children with!!
>
> I guess it's difficult to comprehend when you don't live in the US. But
> then if it's that bad, why not get out? The world is a big place, with a
> lot of areas with less violence than the US?
>
> Ok, I'll shut up now!! :^)
>
> Why don't we get back to some nice peaceful coding!! hehehe Can't get
> shot or beaten for that can we? :^)
>
> Catch ya
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> on 17/7/01 1:39 PM, Judith Dinowitz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Okay, filks at noon ... Who's ready to fight?
> >
> > Uh, Gel, you're missing Adam's point: He does not advocate guns at all.
He
> > was talking strictly one on one, fist fighting. So the verse below
doesn't
> > fit at all.
> >
> > Besides, as Michael is telling me, any two-bit moron can pull a gun. To
> > actually know that you're going to punch someone and get into a physical
> > confrontation with them, to know that blood, teeth, guns and all this is
> > going to be happening, you have to know that this is going to be
happening.
> > Guns don't allow you to think. Guns are just "pull a trigger" and
someone is
> > dead. A fist is part of your body that's going to connect with part of
> > another person's body, and he may come back and hurt you. So you've got
to
> > think about it. You've got to think, "Is it worth the fight? Is it worth
the
> > physical confrontation? Is it worth saying 'Screw You' and that's it?"
And
> > if someone pushes you to the point that you think that it is worth the
> > fight, do it by hand so you know what you're doing.
> >
> > Judith
> >
> >>
> >> And if you can't fight with your fist...
> >> And decide to go get a 'matic..
> >> Then never fear that's cool as well.
> >> Fists or Guns, it's all swell.
> >>
> >> Can you smell...
> >> The testosterone tonii-iiight!
> >> (My hormones in flight...)
> >> To be a Man...
> >> You have to be ready to fii-iiight!
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> -Gel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Adam Phillip Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>
> >> I don't know about the rest of the country, but here in Georgia we call
> >> these "fighting words," and they are legal grounds for engaging in
> > physical
> >> combat. Fighting words, or even yelling at someone for that matter,
are
> >> considered assault under the law in Georgia. It is generally
recognized
> > in
> >> the law that men should be able to save face by showing an aggressor
the
> >> business end of an iron fist.
> >>
> >> This is one of the very highest forms of civility in society, as it
makes
> > us
> >> think twice about what we say and why, and promotes general courtesy
> > between
> >> civilized men. If a weaker man is bullied into fighting, then the
bully
> > is
> >> turned out and shunned or put in his place. If the weaker man runs his
> >> mouth to start things off, then he gets what he gets, and that's that.
> >>
> >> I wasn't there, but if Ben started it with his mouth and the other guy
> > ended
> >> it with his fists, knees, and feet -- one-on-one, and without a weapon
> > other
> >> than his body -- then that's that, pal. End of story, and learn your
> > lesson
> >> quick so there isn't a next time.
> >>
> >> You got _THAT_ right, pal. Anytime, anywhere someone has a beef with
me
> > for
> >> any reason, I'm ready to hear him out and either clear up the
> >> misunderstanding, apologize if I was wrong, or go to absolute
out-and-out
> >> WAR the old fashioned way. I'm so sick and #$*^%%^ tired of these
whimpy
> >> little "I'll have a half-caf decaf mocha with Ceylonese cinnamon and
extra
> >> foam" monthly facial dermabrasion and mud pack so-called "men" that I
> > could
> >> vomit! I say things plainly and honestly, I stand by my words, and I'm
> > not
> >> afraid of getting bloody in the process. Any other men out there live
the
> >> same way? If so, then you have my respect. Those of you who truly
"get"
> >> what I'm talking about will find such respect of value.
> >>
> >> On the O'Reilly Factor the other night, he mentioned that people are
> > afraid
> >> to take a moral stance anymore. Well I'm not. By God, I'm not. I
stand
> >> against the utter immorality of cowardice in men, and I challenge all
men
> > to
> >> get tough with themselves and the other men around them.
> >>
> >> Respectfully,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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