him. But close enough.
The scene you describe... it's in the trailer? where he says we are
trying to get congressmen to sign their kids up to go to Iraq and the
guy gives him a look? You are saying that congressman is the one
congressman who had a kid over there? Haven't heard that before but if
this is true I'd have to call this an exception to my previous
statement that members of congress are also treated with compassion.
That guy was definitely ambushed. If he is in fact the one congressman
with a kid in Iraq then it's pretty unfair to imply that he thinks
Moore is crazy for suggesting the idea. What was this man's name?
Don't remember noticing it. Are you sure this is the guy with the kid
overseas?
There *was* another scene with a congressman from Tennessee who is
initially very warm and and tells the recruiter that he served in
Vietnam. When Moore says he is trying to get congressmen to sign up
their kids to Iraq because only one of them has a kid over there, he
almost whispers "I know" like this has been bothering him too. He
hesitates, starts to leave, takes the recruiting brochure and as he is
leaving swats Moore lightly on the arm with it in a gesture that might
perhaps mean "good point." This guy comes across as very human and was
who I was thnking of when I said members of congress are portrayed
with compassion.
So. Dunno if you have seen the movie or read this somewhere, but which
of these two congressmen had the kid in Iraq, do you know?
And I agree, I see no reason why this movie can't be discussed in a
courteous manner by people with opposing views. I can't really comment
on Moore's previous work though, as I have not seen it.
Dana
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:44:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I've missed this entire thread but I'll put in my 2 cents. Moore's
'film' is straight up propaganda designed to manipulate the facts to
where he wants them to be. Doesn't matter that you come away not
knowing where he wants you to be. Point is, he presents things out of
context to make them seem what he wants.
He was interviewing senators and asking them to sign a petition to
send their kids to Afghanistan. One senator is shown doing a double
take and it's basically presented as if he didn't want to. Truth is
(when the full piece is shown, not in the movie) that he agreed and
said that his son WAS in Afghanistan. This was cut out as it took away
from Moore's 'point' of the elite (i.e. political people) not putting
their kids in harms way.
This is not a movie, not a documentary, it's straight up media
manipulation. But that's what Moore's been doing for a bit of time
now.
Now, if anyone wants to debate me on this, please feel free. If anyone
wants to call me an idiot, moron, or whatever, then it just proves
them unable to bring a rational argument. I think that we as a
community can debate and disagree politely.________________________________
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