At 04:22 PM 6/30/04, Sam wrote:
>To all the liberals in this list,

First of all, you assume that everyone who disagrees with Bush is a
liberal.  That would be wrong.
Then you assume that everyone who disagrees with Bush hates him.  That
would also be wrong.  Most of us are more than capable of hating the
actions without hating the person.

>What if we found the WMD's?
>Would you still hate Bush for something else?

If they found WMDs in Iraq, I would be glad those weapons could no longer
be used on innocents, but it would not change the fact that I am furious at
how sloppily the government handled the intelligence gathering, or the fact
that companies with close ties to members of the administration are being
paid millions over the last 19 months to destroy the weapons that have not
been found.

>What if we proved Iraq was trying to by uranium from Nigeria?
>Would you still hate Bush for something else?

Niger, not Nigeria.  Debates are much more productive when you have your
facts straight.
Bush, or whoever wrote the speech for him, stood in front of the American
people and distorted the facts to justify going to war.  If the uranium had
existed, and the transaction had happened, there would be no need to be
angry about it.   There would also have been no need for the administration
to put Valerie Plame in harm's way by outing her as a CIA agent.

>What if we proved the connection between Saddam and Osama Bin Laden?
>Would you still hate Bush for something else?

What if we proved the connections between Bush and Osama Bin Laden?  It's
actually much easier to do than connecting Saddam and OBL.

>- starting to sound like 50 :)
>
>What would it take for you to not hate the President?

For a village in Texas to get its idiot back?  For John Ashcroft, Dick
Cheney, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld and Conti Rice to be unemployed next
January.  For all the troops that are dead or in danger because this
warmonger used his power to enrich himself and his cronies to be home and
safe.  For all the innocents destroyed in his march to war to be alive and
well.   For the United States of America to be seen as a shining beacon of
hope and freedom, instead of as imperialist monsters.

>Give Al Gore the Presidency?

By all that is right and fair in this country, Al Gore should be
president.  The fact that he is not has shaken my faith in our system of
government like nothing ever has.

>Everyone seems glad he's not in office.

Assumes evidence not in fact.  Millions of people are distraught over Gore
being stripped of the election.  Only in Dittoland is "everyone" glad.

>Is there anything that can happen in the world that would change your mind
>on Bush?
>
>I doubt it.

I doubt it too, but because my opinion of Bush is based on his actions, or
lack of action, about issues that are very important to me, and nothing can
change what has already happened.  And as for the future, even if he
supposedly changed, I wouldn't believe him if he told me grass was green
and water was wet.

>It's kind of pointless to discuss anything when you have such a blinding
>hatred for the man.

And it is pointless to discuss anything with you when you refuse to accept
that we have valid reasons for feeling the way we do.   Bush is the 11th
person to serve as President in my lifetime, and while I have been angry at
others over the years  - Johnson for Vietnam, Nixon for Watergate,  Reagan
for Iran Contra, Clinton for Lewinsky  - never have I felt that the
behavior of the President threatened the continued existence of the United
States.   With Bush, that is my greatest fear.

Maureen
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