I don't think anyone thinks its ok that palestinian children have died except for the evil people who sent the palestinian children to meet the israeli soldiers.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:05 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > Nothing is ever as it seems. I would challenge you to find a news source > that is truly objective. Especially with something as emotionally charged > as > this. > > I have to say, I find your opening point slightly sickening. What you > appear > to be saying is that it's ok if Palestinian children have died, because it > was an accident. Next you'll be saying they bought it on themselves and > they > deserve it. To the best of my knowledge, throwing a stone in this country > is > NOT attempted murder. You appear to be implying that if you throw a stone > then you are a fair target to be shot and killed. All I can say is it's a > good thing that our governments don't agree with you about that. > > So, innocent Palestinians die and its an accident, unfortunate but that's > the way it goes. Innocent Israelis die and it's murder. I'm sorry, but I > cannot accept that imbalance. And how do you know how 'unbiased' your > translations are? Just out of interest? > > I accept your point about water cannons, and it IS interesting to note the > very important role water plays in the whole issue. But I cannot accept > that > the only form of crowd control is to shoot them. > > will > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 04 December 2001 14:47 > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > Yes, there are women and children on each side but the question is how? > There are no Jewish suicide bombers. No Jewish snipers. No Jews launching > rockets all hours of the night. When the army goes in to stop these things > and innocents get hurt, its wrong but an accident. When an innocent is > targeted, then its murder. > In America throwing a stone at someone is attempted murder. Same as other > countries. In Israel, where the stones are thrown from slings and sling > shots, it's 'protest'. In the middle ages these were considered deadly > weapons. They still are. > As for water cannons, think of where they are. A water cannon is > automatically killing people as they will not have water to drink. And as > for Arabic, I both know people who speak it and I read very good (and > unbiased) translations. You should as well. You might learn something as > the > 'official' english is usually quite different. Happens with the > Palestinians, happened with bin laden, happens a lot. > > > Interesting the choice of example you use Michael. But what about the > > Palestine children that are included in that number? And women? Innocent > > people on both sides have died. > > > > "When your under attack by a mob of a hundred stone throwing people, you > > have no choice but to shoot them. Rubber bullets do kill." > > > > Really? That certainly doesn't seem to be the case in other countries, > where > > rubber bullets are not used. People use water cannons effectively for > cases > > of crowd control. And THAT is what you are talking about here. Crowd > > control. People throwing stones are NOT terrorists. They may be angry > > civilians, but I don't think that they deserve to be shot. > > > > "I don't see Israeli troops targeting Palestinian civilians but the > opposite > > is not true." > > > > Don't you? From what you said above I think we can both see that this > isn't > > true. > > > > "Listen to their broadcasts (in Arabic)" > > > > Well, I don't speak Arabic. Do you? > > > > will > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 04 December 2001 09:36 > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > How many of those were attacking Israeli troops or just people? Lots > (most). > > How many were suicide bombers or other terrorists (some). Eating Pizza > isn't > > a crime while shooting and stoning people is. When your under attack by > a > > mob of a hundred stone throwing people, you have no choice but to shoot > > them. Rubber bullets do kill. > > The numbers do not show the WHY of the deaths, just that they happened. > The > > story of each tells you everything. Lets look at two sniper events. One > is > a > > mother of 3 children killed as she's driving home, targeted because she > has > > Israeli license plates and it s Jew. The other is a terrorist who was > > assassinated for plotting and carrying out terrorist attacks. 2 numbers, > but > > waaaaay different. I don't see Israeli troops targeting Palestinian > > civilians but the opposite is not true. All Jews are considered > "settlers" > > and are a target to the Palestinians. Don't believe me, just read their > > school books. Read their news papers. Listen to their broadcasts (in > > Arabic). > > > > > > > As have the palestines, from their perspective.... > > > > > > some figures for you. In the last year: > > > > > > 200 Israelis dead > > > 600 Palestinians dead > > > > > > Interpret that however you like. > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 03 December 2001 18:43 > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, I think the hatred on the part of the israelis is > granted > > at > > > this point. Since 1948 they have been attacked and attacked and > > > attacked...... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:14 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > I see a lot of hatred on all sides in this issue, not just the Arabs > > > > hating > > > > the Jews. Also, I don't see what the realistic qualification for > > 'winning' > > > > would be. There will still be parties on either side that feel > > aggrieved. > > > > I > > > > think 'politics' is the only way out of this, some kind of > compromise > > that > > > > all sides can be acceptably happy about. I don't know how likely > that > is > > > > at > > > > any time in the near to medium future. > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: 03 December 2001 18:06 > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry I didn't see this earlier...quite juicy :) I'm not a white > > > > supremacist > > > > at all, just to clear that up real quick. > > > > > > > > In my strange view of the world, I see the Arabs hating the Jews, > and > I > > > > really dont see any real end to it. The reasons for the hate go > beyond > > > > politics, so a viable political solution is not in the cards. Ruling > out > > > > compromise ( compromise being the art of politics), the only way > that > > > > there > > > > will be an end to the violence is for one side to have their way, or > in > > > > other words...Win the war. Since I have a lot of opinions, I like to > > take > > > > sides in any conflict. The side I take I rationalize in my own > twisted > > > > ways, > > > > and in the Arab Vs Israeli conflict, I take sides with Israel for > > reasons > > > > I > > > > have already mentioned. > > > > > > > > However, I do feel quite superior to those Palestinians who danced > on > > Sept > > > > 11th. I think the world would be a better place without them. No > > American > > > > ever danced when a Palestinian died. > > > > > > > > jon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Benjamin Falloon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:37 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon, > > > > > > > > > > You sound awfully like a white supremacist... > > > > > > > > > > You advocate the genocide of the Indians... I assume (given your > > > > attitude) > > > > > you believe enslaving and importing Africans was also a good > idea. > > Good > > > > for > > > > > the economy I'll bet... to increasing 'American' [read: white > male] > > > > power. > > > > > > > > > > And now you advocate Jewish Israelis wipe out the Arabs. Another > > people > > > > of > > > > > color. > > > > > You mentioned ignorance in your previous post. I think you well > and > > > > truly > > > > > fit the bill and perhaps it's people with your attitude that are > > really > > > > > responsible for the "pain and misery in our world" to use your > words. > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:29 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which country is the most powerful nation in the world? America. > > > > > > If we had let the Indian's survive or let them stay in the land > we > > > > > > occupied, like the Israelis let the "Palestinians" stay in 68 > after > > > > they > > > > > > took over the occupied territories (another analogy), then we > would > > be > > > > > > fighting Indian terrorists right now. > > > > > > The winners write the history books, not the compromisers. Every > > > > single > > > > > > American today is an American because we killed all of the > Indians. > > > > Any > > > > > > American who thinks we should not have done it really can leave > for > > > > all > > > > > > I care. I'm sure there is another most powerful nation in the > world > > > > > > somewhere for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > The ironic thing is that if America had existed back in the > 1700's > > and > > > > > > another country tried to invade the Indians homeland, we would > > > > probably > > > > > > send in troops and defend the Indians homeland so we could feel > good > > > > > > about ourselves. That is America's hypocrrisy, the people want > to > > feel > > > > > > good about themselves. They are probably the same ones who are > > ashamed > > > > > > of America's history too. I'm more ashamed of these people than > of > > > > what > > > > > > we did to the Indians. These people are unintelligent. Stupidity > has > > > > > > caused more pain and misery in our world than anything else > > throughout > > > > > > history. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Israel had taken the American example to heart they would > control > > > > > > most of the Middle East by now, they are powerful enough. Is > that > a > > > > good > > > > > > thing? I dont know, but there would be less Islamic militants to > > drive > > > > > > planes into our buildings, and no Palestinians dancing in the > > streets > > > > > > when Americans are killed. Did you want to dance in the streets > with > > > > > > them? I assume not, then why are you so supportive of them? > > > > > > They would be happy to kill every single Israeli and American, > yet > > you > > > > > > side with them, because you want to take the higher road and > think > > > > > > yourself above that kind of violence. Seems hypocritical to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > jon > > > > > > Angel Stewart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >You SHOULD have kicked the Indians' asses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Right..kill the fucking indigineous people in an area so you > can > > take > > > > > > >over their land and eradicate their way of life completely > after > > > > landing > > > > > > >on THEIR shores. That's A-Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If that is what the Arabs are to Israel then go fucking Arabs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That's probably the most stupid and inaccurate analogy I've > ever > > seen > > > > of > > > > > > >the two sides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Gel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > >From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:40 PM > > > > > > >To: CF-Community > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I just love arguments to much :) Please don't take my postings > as > > > > > > >attacks. I was simply saying that if they can't have peace for > > seven > > > > > > >days, then a false peace is not really worth wasting any effort > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To further comment on my last post though, imo the Arabs are to > > > > Israel, > > > > > > >is like the Indians were to the first Americans. They should > have > > > > kicked > > > > > > >the Arab's butt's a long time ago like we did the Indians. > America > > > > was > > > > > > >founded by Puritans from England, Israel was founded by Jews > from > > > > > > >England. Americans have much in common with Israel... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
