In the UK we have lived with the IRA for years. We haven't found that the
answer to this is military action. Quite the opposite in fact.

I cannot imagine the figures over the last ten years are that much
different.

will



-----Original Message-----
From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 04 December 2001 16:47
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :(


Will,
I think the last year isn't exactly what I would call a typical year in the
life if Israel.  A more complete history will give you more complete
information.  I posted a rather general history of israel that explains some
of israels reactive nature - imo they are entitled to be reactive.

The israelis have lived with the kind of terrorism we experienced here in
the US on 9/11 for many many years. You think they should just tolerate
that?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:16 AM
> To:   CF-Community
> Subject:      RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :(
>
> As have the palestines, from their perspective....
>
> some figures for you. In the last year:
>
> 200 Israelis dead
> 600 Palestinians dead
>
> Interpret that however you like.
>
> will
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 December 2001 18:43
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :(
>
>
> Quite frankly, I think the hatred on the part of the israelis is granted
> at
> this point.  Since 1948 they have been attacked and attacked and
> attacked......
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:       Monday, December 03, 2001 9:14 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject:    RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :(
> >
> > I see a lot of hatred on all sides in this issue, not just the Arabs
> > hating
> > the Jews. Also, I don't see what the realistic qualification for
> 'winning'
> > would be. There will still be parties on either side that feel
> aggrieved.
> > I
> > think 'politics' is the only way out of this, some kind of compromise
> that
> > all sides can be acceptably happy about. I don't know how likely that is
> > at
> > any time in the near to medium future.
> >
> > will
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 03 December 2001 18:06
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :(
> >
> >
> > Sorry I didn't see this earlier...quite juicy :) I'm not a white
> > supremacist
> > at all, just to clear that up real quick.
> >
> > In my strange view of the world, I see the Arabs hating the Jews, and I
> > really dont see any real end to it. The reasons for the hate go beyond
> > politics, so a viable political solution is not in the cards. Ruling out
> > compromise ( compromise being the art of politics), the only way that
> > there
> > will be an end to the violence is for one side to have their way, or in
> > other words...Win the war. Since I have a lot of opinions, I like to
> take
> > sides in any conflict. The side I take I rationalize in my own twisted
> > ways,
> > and in the Arab Vs Israeli conflict, I take sides with Israel for
> reasons
> > I
> > have already mentioned.
> >
> > However, I do feel quite superior to those Palestinians who danced on
> Sept
> > 11th. I think the world would be a better place without them. No
> American
> > ever danced when a Palestinian died.
> >
> > jon
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Benjamin Falloon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :(
> >
> >
> > > Jon,
> > >
> > > You sound awfully like a white supremacist...
> > >
> > > You advocate the genocide of the Indians... I assume (given your
> > attitude)
> > > you believe enslaving  and importing Africans was also a good idea.
> Good
> > for
> > > the economy I'll bet... to increasing 'American' [read: white male]
> > power.
> > >
> > > And now you advocate Jewish Israelis wipe out the Arabs. Another
> people
> > of
> > > color.
> > > You mentioned ignorance in your previous post. I think you well and
> > truly
> > > fit the bill and perhaps it's people with your attitude that are
> really
> > > responsible for the "pain and misery in our world" to use your words.
> > >
> > > Benjamin
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :(
> > >
> > >
> > > > Which country is the most powerful nation in the world? America.
> > > > If we had let the Indian's survive or let them stay in the land we
> > > > occupied, like the Israelis let the "Palestinians" stay in 68 after
> > they
> > > > took over the occupied territories (another analogy), then we would
> be
> > > > fighting Indian terrorists right now.
> > > > The winners write the history books, not the compromisers. Every
> > single
> > > > American today is an American because we killed all of the Indians.
> > Any
> > > > American who thinks we should not have done it really can leave for
> > all
> > > > I care. I'm sure there is another most powerful nation in the world
> > > > somewhere for them.
> > > >
> > > > The ironic thing is that if America had existed back in the 1700's
> and
> > > > another country tried to invade the Indians homeland, we would
> > probably
> > > > send in troops and defend the Indians homeland so we could feel good
> > > > about ourselves. That is America's hypocrrisy, the people want to
> feel
> > > > good about themselves. They are probably the same ones who are
> ashamed
> > > > of America's history too. I'm more ashamed of these people than of
> > what
> > > > we did to the Indians. These people are unintelligent. Stupidity has
> > > > caused more pain and misery in our world than anything else
> throughout
> > > > history.
> > > >
> > > > If Israel had taken the American example to heart they would control
> > > > most of the Middle East by now, they are powerful enough. Is that a
> > good
> > > > thing? I dont know, but there would be less Islamic militants to
> drive
> > > > planes into our buildings, and no Palestinians dancing in the
> streets
> > > > when Americans are killed. Did you want to dance in the streets with
> > > > them? I assume not, then why are you so supportive of them?
> > > > They would be happy to kill every single Israeli and American, yet
> you
> > > > side with them, because you want to take the higher road and think
> > > > yourself above that kind of violence. Seems hypocritical to me.
> > > >
> > > > jon
> > > > Angel Stewart wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >You SHOULD have kicked the Indians' asses?
> > > > >
> > > > >Right..kill the fucking indigineous people in an area so you can
> take
> > > > >over their land and eradicate their way of life completely after
> > landing
> > > > >on THEIR shores. That's A-Ok.
> > > > >
> > > > >If that is what the Arabs are to Israel then go fucking Arabs.
> > > > >
> > > > >That's probably the most stupid and inaccurate analogy I've ever
> seen
> > of
> > > > >the two sides.
> > > > >
> > > > >-Gel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > >Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:40 PM
> > > > >To: CF-Community
> > > > >Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :(
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I just love arguments to much :) Please don't take my postings as
> > > > >attacks. I was simply saying that if they can't have peace for
> seven
> > > > >days, then a false peace is not really worth wasting any effort on.
> > > > >
> > > > >To further comment on my last post though, imo the Arabs are to
> > Israel,
> > > > >is like the Indians were to the first Americans. They should have
> > kicked
> > > > >the Arab's butt's a long time ago like we did the Indians. America
> > was
> > > > >founded by Puritans from England, Israel was founded by Jews from
> > > > >England. Americans have much in common with Israel...
> > > > >
> > > > >jon
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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