I don't think his point is to justify the killing of the children but to assign responsibility for their deaths. You maintain that the responsibility lies squarely on the Israeli's whereas Gel is assigning the responsibility to those that either put them there or allowed them to be there. It is a circular argument - a which came first, the chicken or the egg argument. If the Israeli's didn't shoot at them they wouldn't get shot, but if they were not there in the first place then they wouldn't have been shot and around and around we go. I have to agree with Gel on this one though. Whoever is responsible for the safety of those children are responsible for their deaths. Just to clarify one thing, the assumption/condition for this argument is being based on the situation where an armed conflict is occurring and the children are being sent out to fight, etc. This does not pertain to children not engaged in offensive activities (i.e. sitting at home, at school, playing, church, etc.).
Michael Corrigan Programmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Will Swain To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( I still dont understand your point 'Gel. What, someone encourages kids to throw stones, and then suddenly they are fair game? If you think thats the only way children die, then you are wrong I'm afraid. You seem for some reason to be fixating on this stone throwing business. I'm talking about innocent children being killed, on both sides, and it seems people are looking for excuses to justify it IF those children are Palestinian, because someone else made them do it. I'm saying, this shouldn't be happening to anyone, Isreali, Palestinian, whatever. Violence it not the answer, from either side. If I'm a soldier, and a kid chicks a stone at me, and I shoot and kill that kid, then yes, I AM a murderer. A stone against a gun? will -----Original Message----- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 December 2001 17:22 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( Uhh...let me break it down to you.. Why are parents allowing children, or SENDING them , to throw stones at Israeli soldiers during protests? Why are they ENCOURAGING them to do this? And I've seen Palestinian GUNMEN shooting in the midst of crowds throwing rocks on television reports. Why are they putting them in harms way with bullets flying, or tear gas or whatever. And then wailing and bawling when these same children they SENT into danger, are killed for whatever reason? Who's responsible in this instance? The soldier defending himself, or the people that sent the children to get killed? When children strapped themselves with explosives and ran toward US Troops in a certain engagement years ago, and they were shot and killed..was that murder? Who's fault was it those children were killed? That's what I asked, and THAT is what I meant. Someone else said the same thing slightly differently as well a few posts back. -Gel -----Original Message----- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:57 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( God, sorry, but I just noticed this comment: "What are children doing throwing stones at Soldiers on the streets?" 'Gel, I don't know you personally, but you seem like a reasonable guy. Surely you don't mean what I think you mean by this statement. will ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
