> -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 5:24 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Science, for dummies > > "There's no middle ground - abstinence until marriage and then sex for > procreation." > > So they have their own set of morals... you have yours... why are your > more > right than theirs? Don't they have the right to push their agenda if it > conflicts with yours? Furthermore, birth control is widely available.
We're not talking about personal morals - we're talking about inflicting your personal morals on others. The Legislation of personal morals. I've no problem whatsoever with somebody that wouldn't get an abortion - I wouldn't get one or ask anybody to get one (that's why I had a vasectomy). But the organized right-to-life movement wants to make it illegal. They want to make distribution of birth control in schools illegal. > Of course the hierocracy comes in when you see how they treat life in > other > scenarios. Pro-lifers are nearly always pro-death penalty. They're for > the > war in Iraq. > > And many pro-choice are against the death penalty. And some pro-choice The they're obviously not the ones I'm talking about. ;^) Let's keep on track: I speaking explicitly about the organized "right-to-life" movement. The movement that seeks to make abortion illegal; the movement that cheers the murder of doctors and makes already troubled women feel more like shit than they already do. I'm not talking about the individual that decides against abortion (or sex for that matter) based on personal choice (whether that choice is faith-based or not). I'm talking about those that treat this issue as if theirs is the only solution and, because of this, must be universally applied. > "They're not "pro-life" - they're pro (an interpretation of) God. > Period." > So they still have the same agenda. Big deal. Sure big deal, I agree... until they attempt to alter government to match their ideology. The, what can I say, it irks me. > "There's no room for compromise because it's a matter of faith and "live > and > let live" isn't, apparently, close enough to the front of the Bible." > So you think people should compromise on things they think are morally > wrong? Yes, DEFINATELY without a freakin doubt! Things aren't black and white - you can compromise because levels of agreement can be reached amongst rational people. Abortion is bad. Fine. But abortion in the case of rape of incest, well - let's compromise and allow that. Birth control is bad... but let's comprise and allow some of it because it will reduce the greater wrong of abortion. Choose, your battles as the adage goes. > "If you can't compromise you can't address an issue rationally. If you > can't address an issue rationally you can't solve it. And if you can't > solve an issue you get what we have today." > There are many issues on both sides of the argument that are purely based > on how you feel about it rather than is it rational. > > If you think that a fetus is not a life, then feel free to kill it. > If you think that a fetus is a life, then you should preserve it. > These are subjective to the way a person feels and cannot be rationalized. These are subjective - they're also idiotically simplistic. Pro choice people may or may not feel that a fetus is a "life". Pro choice is simply about the right to decide what's right for your situation, not a demand that philosophical determination on the genesis of life be confirmed. Many (if not most) people that have abortions regret the circumstances that led to the choice. Many believe that they are killing a child - they deeply regret the situation. Again, the moral implications are personal (as you readily admit) so why shouldn't that choice be so? Jim Davis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:174463 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
