Larry, Why is it in every other reference to "the people" it means individual citizens. But in this case, you think "the people" refers to the state government.
And I'm curious? Do you think we should ban all guns in the US? How do we go about collecting all the unregistered firearms in this country? Regulation is the best route here. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:59 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Iran Lets parse the amendment shall we: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state," Clearly refers to a non-federal military arm. The remaining parts of the amendment are subordinate. As for your example its irrelevant. I'll give you a better one, what would you do if the Bush administration began freely violating US law authorizing actions against US citizens multiple times. Are you willing to actively resist that? I've noticed that you've been very quiet about this issue: "President Bush acknowledged Saturday that since October 2001 he has authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on international phone calls and e-mails of people within the United States without seeking warrants from courts." On 12/19/05, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whether you or anybody else believes it, I do happen to beleive that the > right of the person to keep and bear arms in order to protect themselves > from a governement run amok. What would you do if the the Bush > Administration shut down the border and started executing Canadians? You > should have the right to bear arms, .50 cal included. Should it be > regulated? Yes, I do believe it should be registered,but not infringed > upon. I'm not even a gun owner not a member of the NRA, which I do believe > is a fringe group, but I realize that weapons are the reason there is a US > today, and the right to bear arms is as important as the right to free > speech. > > - Matt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: Iran > > > > The phrase "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security > > of a free state," is frequently and most conviently forgotten about in > > the pro gun lobby's propaganda effort. The full amendment is "A well > > regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be > > infringed." > > > > The common legal consensus, and one that the SCOTUS has followed for > > over a century now is that the second amendment mainly refers to > > protections afforded the individual states regarding the establishment > > of reserves and the National Guard, and not to allow any drooling > > idiot the right to purchase a 50 cal. machine gun. > > > > larry > > > > > > On 12/19/05, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> What are you talking about? > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:14 AM > >> Subject: Re: Iran > >> > >> > >> > how about the entire 2nd amendment, and not the edited version that > >> > the NRA propaganda machine keeps spouting. > >> > > >> > larry > >> > > >> > On 12/19/05, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> So I guess this brings up the 2nd Amendment. Are you for/against it, > >> >> and > >> >> why? > >> >> > >> >> - Matt > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Kevin Graeme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> > >> >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:07 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: Iran > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Ugh. That's disgusting. > >> >> > > >> >> > On 12/19/05, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> http://www.gac.20m.com/self-def.htm > >> >> >> > >> >> >> - Matt > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:188709 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
