I think what I am saying is that I do agree that there are bad guys. I am not really concerned with Ames. He got a trial, correct? I have waaaaay too much going on fact check Nick's assertion about warrants in this case, and I think it's a side issue. The man is not currently being held without trial. It seems he was a genuine threat to the US, as opposed to let's say the local branch of the ACLU.
But to answer your point. I personally question whether Bush was elected. Assuming he was, I don't think this proves much except that Americans do not value their freedoms. Didn't they have a poll a while back in which a majority of people said the 1st amendment goes too far? I mean, just look at what some otherwise intelligent people have said in this thread right here. On 12/22/05, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know that there's a real difference here. Maybe in degree, but > not > in meaning. Additionally, Clinton did not have to deal with the aftermath > of 911. Now the country is begin vigilant about preventing another > attack. > The fact is that Bush was reelected and the majority that voted him back > into office apparently approve of the way he handles the security of this > nation. Not that I necessarily approve or disapprove of these actions or > his ability to protect us. > > - Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [politics] nobody else seems to be concerned > > > > ok. So if you are correct about that it would seem that Clinton may have > > violated the civil liberties of one person whom he correctly suspected > of > > being a spy. Can we let go of that and take a look at the wholesale > > violations of the fourth amendment that seem to currently be taking > place? > > > > On 12/22/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> No, after the fact his aide testified in front of Congress about it, > >> stating > >> that the President didn't need a warrant. > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:27 PM > >> > To: CF-Community > >> > Subject: Re: [politics] nobody else seems to be concerned > >> > > >> > did he talk to a judge at some point? > >> > > >> > On 12/21/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > But Clinton didn't have a warrant, that was the point. > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:189496 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
