You said it, dead horse.  I'm willing to forgo a long arduous agrument 
where we'll both end up with the same views we came in with.  I've got a 
wife who'll gladly take up those kinds of discussions with me anytime.  :)

I'd be surprised if Gel answered your questions about research.  Does 
one really need research to tell them that animal sex probably hurts the 
animal?

Chesty Puller wrote:
> Actually, I let the comment drop because I didn't feel like getting into 
> that argument. There was a jibe in the initial title because the article 
> itself delves into that argument and that fact is that I myself have 
> actually predicted on this list that such utter nonsense would come to play 
> via the argument for homosexual marriage.  And here I am, right about it.
> 
> What I really find interesting is that your response to zoophilia is about 
> the same as many people's towards homosexuality.  Logic aside, there are 
> many people who just don't think that homosexual marriage makes any sense 
> with the same emotion that you make clear in your post.  However, that's as 
> far as I feel like discussing this issue because it's a dead horse.  I will 
> decline to answer your direct question because my own feelings on any 
> marriage outside of male-female relationships are probably well-known or are 
> at least inferred with the responses that I've posted today to certain 
> threads.
> 
> However, there was no question about the homosexual marraige in the response 
> to Gel.  He insinuated that he knew of research that indicated that this 
> kind of relationship was actually harmful to the animal.  That's what really 
> interests me - the fact that this research exists and the actual outcome. 
> Is it harmful because the animal was physically hurt?  Is it emotional hurt? 
> Where in the world did they find test subjects?  Why does Gel know about it?
> 
> Those are the hard-hitting questions I have for Gel.
> 
> - Matt
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray Champagne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Maybe one day we'll allow them to get married.
> 
> 
> 
>>OK, fair enough, but I still think you're implying something ridiculous
>>here...I noticed you didn't respond to the marriage comment, either.  I
>>mean, you put a reference to marriage in the subject, then played th
>>passive-aggressive card (or actually, in this case it would be
>>aggressive-passive), saying "I didn't make any statements".  But that's
>>not really what I wanted to know about anyways.
>>
>>To put it bluntly: Are you saying that if we let two Homosexshuls get
>>married, we should let Fifi and her owner get married, too?
>>
>>Chesty Puller wrote:
>>
>>>I didn't make any statements, I asked why was it harmful to the dog. It
>>>probably is harmful, but I don't know why it is, and I was asking Gel to
>>>explain why it was since he seemed to know about the research.  Sometimes
>>>questions are meant to be answered as they are asked.
>>>
>>>- Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Ray Champagne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:52 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Maybe one day we'll allow them to get married.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dude, are you serious?  Are you asking why sexually assaulting a dog is
>>>>harmful to the dog?  Would you like it?
>>>>
>>>>And I'm sorry, but if you're fishing at comparing homosexual marriage to
>>>>man and dog, it just is not comparable.  One's the conscious decision of
>>>>two willing persons, the other is abuse of an animal, plain and simple.
>>>>They just aren't the same, and I get tried of hearing that argument...
>>>>
>>>>Chesty Puller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Does this research exist? How would you get it?  Why is it harmful?
>>>>>
>>>>>- Matt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>From: "Vivec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:40 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Maybe one day we'll allow them to get married.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yup.
>>>>>>Soon people will be marrying their dogs.
>>>>>>*smirk*
>>>>>>Why should ANYTHING be seen as immoral after all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The fact that the writer didn't touch on the research which says such
>>>>>>interactions are harmful to the animal and should fall under Cruelty
>>>>>>to animals is interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 12/28/05, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.slate.com/id/103801/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 

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