That first sentence isn't true Dana, we still have minuteman and peacemakers
sitting silos, game over.

Also about Pakistan.  They are really neither our friend nor our ally.  I
mean I was shot at by these guys when we accidentally crossed the border one
time.

The thing in Pakistan is that parts of the government are very progressive
and friendly and the rest is very anti-American.  This includes parts of the
military and almost all of it's intelligence services.  They are still
training terrorists to send it Afghanistan and Kashmir.  Musharref has a
very difficult job trying to maintain control over both the tribal sections
of his country that are very anti-American, and his more progressive urban
base that likes us, so he waffles all the time.  Also large parts of that
country are not under the control of the central government, rather under
local tribal rule, often following sharia law.  These same tribal leaders
helped put the Taliban in power and continue to support them today.  Now we
know that both India and Pakistan have short range nukes, well how would you
like to see Musharref get toppled and them have more nukes, or ICBMs at that
point?


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-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:44 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Foolhardy US Posturing on Iran by Bolton

Thanks to previous indulgence in testosterone on the part of our fearless
leader, we cannot begin to hope to overcome Iran militarily, though.

I believe their version is that they are working on nuclear power, not
weapons, correct? The only solution I see is very heavy UN supervision. If
they are telling the truth this should be acceptable. If they are not this
becomes more clear as they object. 

Speaking of which, I was quite taken aback at Bush's recent actions in India
and Pakistan. Since nobody commented here, I suppose everyone agree with
this, but here we have a foreign leader who has put himself in some jeopardy
to support the US, and not only is he told not to develop weapons, his
historic enemy is told that they *can.* Now, I grant you that Pakistan is
not the most stable place, but in a context of "we must allow Arab
governments to run our ports because to do otherwise is discrimination" this
does not seem to make much sense. My best guess is that the Bushes had
something riding on the Dubai deal.

What would I have done otherwise? Well, I am not particularly a student of
the region or of foreign policy, but it would seem to me good policy to
avoid kicking our supporters in the face... and if the region is really all
that unstable, perhaps India shouldn't have nuclear weapons either.
 

>What other choice is there? The rest of the major players in this 
>affair (Russia, France, Great Britain, and Germany), seem resigned to 
>let the Iranians build a nuclear weapon. The Iranians themselves have 
>admitted that they have dragged out the "talks" so they could continue 
>their clandestine development program. The only thing they don't admit 
>is that they are building a bomb, but everyone knows that is exactly what
they are doing.
>
>So the two options are: let Iran get the bomb, or be prepared to 
>prevent that from happening at all costs, because they clearly are not 
>going to be deterred by anything short of removing the choice from 
>them. Do I want to engage them? No. I don't want to engage them, now or 
>in the future. But I think we are better off engaging them now than 
>dealing with the same lunatic theocracy as a nuclear power three years from
now.
>
>On 3/11/06, Dana Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



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