What about nations who don't respect their own people, their own cultures? You would claim the moral high ground in respect for international law, but where is the morality in respecting the government of a country that tortures, rapes and murders its citizens?
You want your son to grow up in a world "... where we understand what is right for the world and all the people on it is ultimately what is right for us as individuals?" So what is right for the world? Is it right for the world for Iran to oppress its citizens, to torture and kill people who disagree with the regime? Is it right for the world for Kim Jong Il to hold the entire citizenry of North Korea in slavery? Do we let them suffer and die? Do we stand aside and do nothing? And how is that right , "for all of us as individuals?" By "all of us", do you mean those of us who do not live under oppressive regimes that regularly torture and murder their own citizens? I especially get angry about all this when I get home and look at my two > month old son, and wonder what sort of a world he will grow up in. Will it be one where people respect other people, nations and cultures, > where we understand that we live in a worldwide community and that our > actions have an effect on others, where we understand that what is right > for > the world and all the people on it is ultimately what is right for us as > individuals? > > Or will it be one where might is right, where if you disagree with someone > you go after them with the proverbial big stick, where the good of all is > subservient to the will of the few. I really hope not. > > I > > On 3/13/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What that we are a sovereign nation of laws? > > > > That we don't allow someone else's culture to override our own ideals of > > freedom of speech? > > > > This little digs are getting old. Are you going to come out say > anything, > > or are you just going to trade barbs. > > > > Prove me wrong, debate me for Christ's sake. Its 5 in the morning and I > > still have several hours of coding ahead of me. > > > > -- > > Tim Heald > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 703-300-3911 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:56 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Foolhardy US Posturing on Iran by Bolton > > > > And that is the problem with America at present. > > > > On 3/13/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_of_international_law > > > > > > Did we have a treaty with Iraq that said we would never invade them? > > > > > > As a matter of fact Iraq broke the terms of the original cease fire, > > > and therefore it was game on. Sadaam knew that. > > > > > > I also don't agree that anything aside from treaties that have been > > > signed by our president, and ratified by our congress, have any force > of > > "law" > > > against us as a nation. > > > > > > -- > > > Tim Heald > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > 703-300-3911 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:11 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Foolhardy US Posturing on Iran by Bolton > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law > > > > > > On 3/13/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm a nationalist bro. Point blank. I love my country. > > > > > > > > However you still didn't answer any of those questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tim Heald > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > 703-300-3911 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:01 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Foolhardy US Posturing on Iran by Bolton > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, yes, it reinforced what I already knew about some > > > > Americans. > > > > > > > > That is they don't care about humanity as a whole or the world in > > > > which we collectively live in. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/13/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Where does international law come from? > > > > > > > > > > When did I elect my represntative to the world senate? Or is it a > > > > > parliament? Is there an international supreme court? > > > > > > > > > > What form of government do we the planet earth have? > > > > > > > > > > Does all of this silly sarcasm make my point for me? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Tim Heald > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > 703-300-3911 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:39 AM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: Foolhardy US Posturing on Iran by Bolton > > > > > > > > > > On 3/13/06, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We are starting to be seen as a rogue state? By who (besides > Gel)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By a great many people - sorry if this is news to you but Americas > > > > > reputation is not good internationally at the moment, it is > > > > > definitely seen as a rouge state in that it that ignores > > > > > international law and does what suits it's own purposes regardless > > > > > of how that affects the rest of the world. > > > > > > > > > > We are > > > > > > the leaders of the international community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same way as a bully is leader of the playground. > > > > > > > > > > To be fair it is the Bush administration that is seen in these > > > > > ways, few people actually think that they reflect the views and > > > > > morals of all Americans. Most of us still have a lot of respect > > > > > for Americans, just not America at present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:199779 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
