I don't think I can go quite as far as you do.

### also person philosophy ###

I'm an agnostic.  I don't think I can personally deny the hand of god in
things like how the structure of an atom almost mimics the paths of planets
around a star, or the veins in a leaf.  These are things that make me think
some kind of intelligence formed this reality we find out selves in.

When it comes to the bible vs. science, well, who can claim to know how long
a day is for G-d?  Who can say if its methods didn't take the billions of
years that this universe has existed?

I agree with you on blind faith however.  Simply parroting the words of a
book, or priest, or imam is foolish.  Like you said we as men can reason and
as such should do so.  I mean at the very least wouldn't not using our minds
be tantamount to blasphemy?  Not using the gifts of our g-d?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:10 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Darwin caused Hilter... according to Ann Coulter and her
> friends
> 
> > gMoney wrote:
> > Which one is crazier than the next? Who can say! All hail the FSM.....
> >
> 
> This argument is thousands of years old - it's science against
> religion by those who see the 2 as opposed.
> 
> I've spoken with an IDer or 2 and here's their problem: "genesis says
> that blah, blah, blah, and therefore man didn't come from monkeys."
> 
> Ignoring the misunderstanding of lineage, all they're basically saying
> is that what it says literally in the Bible is not meshing with
> evolution and, therefore, they're siding with the Bible.
> 
> My response is that, if you're being intellectually honest, you either
> have to say that the Bible is a flawed book of Man containing
> translated stories about God, or you need to learn Aramaic, Greek, and
> Hebrew before you can even begin to make another claim.
> 
> I also like to pull out the fact of how the Bible says that pictures
> of yourself and family are sinful due to vanity and the fact that
> they're "graven images", the only purpose of which is to worship
> yourself; a big Bible no-no.
> 
> Anyway all this shows to me is that Man has not yet figured out how to
> merge spirituality, religion, and science.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> WARNING: Personal Philosophy Below
> --------------------------------------------------------
> What I know for a fact is that I have an intellect and can reason.  If
> God is my creator then He gave me these abilities and I don't believe
> he did that only to tell me to ignore them and "have faith".  He
> expects me to use them.
> 
> The whole "have faith" line is cop out and exit ramp for
> intellectually lazy people who don't want to continue to seek The
> Truth as the apostle Thomas instructed them to do.
> 
> "Have faith" is the Church's mechanism to excuse people from work
> since most people would quit if that mechanism didn't exist.
> 
> 

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