Awww shit!  Did Kirk Cameron get a hold of you?  Do you remember some
strange Austrailian man asking you if you were a good person?  Quick
G, Gruss, Dana, let's get Loathe to a deprogramming facility STAT!


On 8/29/06, loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think I can go quite as far as you do.
>
> ### also person philosophy ###
>
> I'm an agnostic.  I don't think I can personally deny the hand of god in
> things like how the structure of an atom almost mimics the paths of planets
> around a star, or the veins in a leaf.  These are things that make me think
> some kind of intelligence formed this reality we find out selves in.
>
> When it comes to the bible vs. science, well, who can claim to know how long
> a day is for G-d?  Who can say if its methods didn't take the billions of
> years that this universe has existed?
>
> I agree with you on blind faith however.  Simply parroting the words of a
> book, or priest, or imam is foolish.  Like you said we as men can reason and
> as such should do so.  I mean at the very least wouldn't not using our minds
> be tantamount to blasphemy?  Not using the gifts of our g-d?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:10 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Darwin caused Hilter... according to Ann Coulter and her
> > friends
> >
> > > gMoney wrote:
> > > Which one is crazier than the next? Who can say! All hail the FSM.....
> > >
> >
> > This argument is thousands of years old - it's science against
> > religion by those who see the 2 as opposed.
> >
> > I've spoken with an IDer or 2 and here's their problem: "genesis says
> > that blah, blah, blah, and therefore man didn't come from monkeys."
> >
> > Ignoring the misunderstanding of lineage, all they're basically saying
> > is that what it says literally in the Bible is not meshing with
> > evolution and, therefore, they're siding with the Bible.
> >
> > My response is that, if you're being intellectually honest, you either
> > have to say that the Bible is a flawed book of Man containing
> > translated stories about God, or you need to learn Aramaic, Greek, and
> > Hebrew before you can even begin to make another claim.
> >
> > I also like to pull out the fact of how the Bible says that pictures
> > of yourself and family are sinful due to vanity and the fact that
> > they're "graven images", the only purpose of which is to worship
> > yourself; a big Bible no-no.
> >
> > Anyway all this shows to me is that Man has not yet figured out how to
> > merge spirituality, religion, and science.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > WARNING: Personal Philosophy Below
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > What I know for a fact is that I have an intellect and can reason.  If
> > God is my creator then He gave me these abilities and I don't believe
> > he did that only to tell me to ignore them and "have faith".  He
> > expects me to use them.
> >
> > The whole "have faith" line is cop out and exit ramp for
> > intellectually lazy people who don't want to continue to seek The
> > Truth as the apostle Thomas instructed them to do.
> >
> > "Have faith" is the Church's mechanism to excuse people from work
> > since most people would quit if that mechanism didn't exist.
> >
> >
>
> 

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