Excellent post man. > -----Original Message----- > From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:02 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Darwin caused Hilter... according to Ann Coulter and her > friends > > On 8/29/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This argument is thousands of years old - it's science against > > religion by those who see the 2 as opposed. > > > > I've spoken with an IDer or 2 and here's their problem: "genesis says > > that blah, blah, blah, and therefore man didn't come from monkeys." > > > There are some of these people. They can't really be argued with. If they > chose to have faith in an ancient book instead of scientific study, well, > OK, can't really do much about that. > > Some of the ID'ers I've talked to, however, go farther by saying evolution > itself is flawed, and that evidence actually supports the Bible more so > than > evolution. It's these people that I have a huge problem with. > > Ignoring the misunderstanding of lineage, all they're basically saying > > is that what it says literally in the Bible is not meshing with > > evolution and, therefore, they're siding with the Bible. > > > > My response is that, if you're being intellectually honest, you either > > have to say that the Bible is a flawed book of Man containing > > translated stories about God, or you need to learn Aramaic, Greek, and > > Hebrew before you can even begin to make another claim. > > > How can you be "intellectually honest" if you are ignoring intellect and > going on faith? You can't. Faith can be used to justify > anything....intellect be damned. > > I also like to pull out the fact of how the Bible says that pictures > > of yourself and family are sinful due to vanity and the fact that > > they're "graven images", the only purpose of which is to worship > > yourself; a big Bible no-no. > > > The Bible is all over the place on a host of things. Is it eye for an eye, > or turn the other cheek? Is it kill the infidels, or love your neighbor? > Is > it cast out the sinners, or is it ye without sin cast the first stone? Is > it all are welcome into God's kingdom, or is it a lucky 144,000? > > You could spend hours drawing intellectual paradoxes with someone who's > trying to interpret the Bible literally. > > Anyway all this shows to me is that Man has not yet figured out how to > > merge spirituality, religion, and science. > > > Maybe "Man" hasn't, but I sure have. I'm comfortable as hell with my faith > and my science. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > WARNING: Personal Philosophy Below > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > Cool.... > > What I know for a fact is that I have an intellect and can reason. If > > God is my creator then He gave me these abilities and I don't believe > > he did that only to tell me to ignore them and "have faith". He > > expects me to use them. > > > I have no idea what he expects....that's part of where faith comes in. I > certainly think using what was given me seems like a pretty good idea > though. > > The whole "have faith" line is cop out and exit ramp for > > intellectually lazy people who don't want to continue to seek The > > Truth as the apostle Thomas instructed them to do. > > > Sometimes, but most definitely not all the time. I have faith...i have > faith > that there is a Creator greater than me. In all honesty, I only have my > faith because reason leads me to believe that something greater than > myself > is not only possible, but likely. > > All the same though, I can't prove it...so my belief in it is still > "faith". > > In no way is that faith a cop out or exit ramp for anything. > > "Have faith" is the Church's mechanism to excuse people from work > > since most people would quit if that mechanism didn't exist. > > > What do you mean by this? What work are they excusing people from? > Science? > Don't follow you here. > > >
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