Jerry, that's some really great feedback. Thanks! :) Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Johnson To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Employee compensation Should this get moved to jobs-talk? Michael, yell if so. My take: 5 jobs ago, I had few benefits (softball,volleyball league, picnics, thanksgiving dinner at work, bosses cook breakfast a couple times a year, all company oriented, yet organised by individuals. A very family-oriented atmosphere). They had some real perks, like college course compensation (based on grades), and they would send me to any conference I (or my boss) presented a paper at. Dress went from jeans and nice shirt to business coat and tie every day. I did not like that. When I left, I gave away all but one suit. 4 jobs ago, I had tons of benefits (video game budget, library budget, siggraph conferences, cable tv.) Wore jeans and tshirts every day. And in the end, no paycheck and no health insurance (start up museum. we lost financing after 3 years) 3 jobs ago, I had no "benefits", 8am-6pm work hours, a bad cubicle, and a half-hour for lunch. Paychecks regular and small. Boring. Didn't like it much. 2 jobs ago, I had tons of "benefits" (massage twice a week, free soda, group lunches, expense account, video game budget.) Wore jeans except when clients were in the building. Sometimes worked offsite (Mount Hood, Rogue River, Bend Oregon) Lots of long hours. Great company, great staff, too far from family. 1 job ago, I was in a garage in a start-up media company. No benefits, few paychecks. This job. some perks. red sox tickets maybe once a year. able to work from home periodically. monthly birthday parties (with beer and wine, and sometimes karaoke). christmas dinner. softball. And we go out often on Thurdsay nights as a group bar hopping. Not great, but the people are nice, and the work is spectacular (although the hours are way too long). It is a package. For me, the most important things: steady paycheck good health insurance (diagnosed diabetic last year) smart managers decent pay good people with good attitudes and good work ethic good work hard but not killing deadlines good tools outside-of-work social activities office environment little perks (free coffee) each of these are added together and weighed. the only thing that would get me to leave my current job is a change in management attitude, or a job closer to Connecticut (and my family). Otherwise, they are going to have to pry me from my seat screaming. Does this help at all? On 10/3/06, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For some reason the topic of employee compensation keeps coming up recently in personal conversations, and my last experience with it was twenty years ago in our family's previous business, so I'm terribly out of date on the subject. > > What would you say is a good compensation package -- salary, benefits, etc? The hypothetical person being compensated would be talented in the technologies s/he is currently using, wanting to learn exciting new technologies, blah blah blah -- typical headhunter BS description. > > Before you fire back with "Eight million dollars, company car, etc, etc," I'm looking for serious answers -- if I can get them from you guys ;) I could really use some perspective. > > Also, what are the intangibles you find most important in companies that are hiring? Some of the people I've been talking with left a previous job because of things that I would normally find trivial compared to employment as a whole, but then again I wasn't there. > > One thing I've heard from lots of people I've talked to is how violated they feel when they are forced to take drug tests or the like. And things like background checks for credit or criminal history. I know there are fields where things like this are considered necessary, but I'm narrowing the scope to our industry because it's the only one I'm familiar with. > > Any feedback you guys can give me would be appreciated. I don't know why this is so much in my mind, but when it gets like this I have to go all the way through a subject before I'm done with it. > Respectfully, > > Adam Phillip Churvis > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer > BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee > > > > Get advanced intensive Master-level training in > C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at > ProductivityEnhancement.com > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:216615 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
