No but imho when you tell stories where people are killed in interesting ways 
because they are black, or female in this case, you are pretty much there. It 
isn't just racism. It was a hate crime when they killed that kid in Wyoming for 
being gay. It goes "I hate all Jews/blacks/women/fags/whatever... there goes 
one now... let me go beat/kill/rape/maul him/her."

There may be other definitions, but that's mine.

>IMNSHO - hate speech != disgusting or offensive speech.  
>
>I mean, isn't hate speech supposed to be race related?  I guess I just
>have a problem with this whole hate sppech/hate crime culture.
>
>I mean, I know SHARPs that have been charged with hate crimes simply
>because they were skins.  Made no difference that they were anti-racist.
>Just they were white and bald headed, and the victim was other than
>white.  No matter what the motivation or situation was.
>
>I don't know how we can add additional years to a persons penalty.  Why
>is one motivation worse than another?
>
>Why am I a better criminal for killing someone over money, than I am if
>I kill someone over politics?  Shouldn't we treat them the same?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:27 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: AZ Repubs: Profs Political Opinions Illegal
>
>Well, I could see the nature of the universe and big bang vs creationism
>coming up in a discussion on limits (via event horizons)... but you are
>correct, that remark was really meant for classes in the
>English/sociology spectrum.
>
>As for hate speech, yes, there is a line, which was the gist of my story
>in the other thread -- that whole experience came pretty close imho. But
>it also illustrates my point here -- in practice, it is extremely
>difficult to balance out the competing rights.

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