aat liebert we always cross checked each others jsp, then graphics
then its functionality on Live equipment, be it UPS, water detection
or fire systems.

it was always a good thing to find mistakes in co-workers gode or design.
good in the fact that we could get together and see how other
developers would have handled the same problem diffrently.

not in a "hey you suck" way. but in a hey check out this little line
of code that can handle a temperature change of 4 degrees & compensate
for the change befor we trigger an alarm & send 5 admins pagers,
emails & phone calls automatically..

finding bugs was always fun!
passing knowledge to co-workers was always a good way to stay in
contact & Feel a bit livley.

now if it is just ADMIN crap.
just reporting some one sqrewing up, then i say fnck the man...

unless it will get some one kilt, a server room melted or critical data lost...


On 7/2/07, Heald, Timothy (NIH/CIT) [C] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was thinking the same thing.  Communication between management and
> worker must be pretty strained if you have that confrontational
> attitude.  Was it just the one person that was saying don't track the
> issue, or does most of the team feel the same way?
>
> Watching out for each other is a good thing, until it becomes a bad
> thing.  As with anything it can be abused and make you look bad if the
> individual in question continues to miss important things during the
> development process.
>
> --
> Timothy J. Heald | NIH-Contractor | iGate
> Enterprise Business Intelligence Branch (EBIB)
> Division of Enterprise and Custom Applications, CIT/NIH/DHHS
> Office: 301.594.5611 | Fax: 301.443.7010 | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:43 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Ethical question
> >
> > > Let's say a client called in cos something happened and you
> > went ahead
> > > and fixed the problem and it turns out that the cause was that a
> > > co-worker missed out on some detail.  Well I was about to
> > write up a
> > > ticket on it, without thinking, and another person said "No dont do
> > > that we watch out for each other".  And I nodded in
> > agreement.  So I didnt write it up.
> >
> > Did you at least let the co-worker that missed it know about
> > the problem?
> >
> > The ticket system is (hopefully) in place to allow for
> > feedback and positive growth.  We all make mistakes, it's
> > part of being human.
> > Being able to identify our mistakes and correct them is part
> > of what helps us improve as developers.  That being said, a
> > large number of tickets or problems reported can be an
> > indication that someone is not learning from their mistakes.
> >
> > > And I also have an issue with the way things work here, cos
> > it opens
> > > up to people making easy mistakes.  you know, stuff that
> > should be automated.
> >
> > The truth is that there is a system in place where you work
> > that people are purposely circumventing and that's nothing
> > but bad news.  I would suggest that you try to find out why
> > it's happening and see what can be done about the source of
> > the problem.  It sounds like there is either a level of
> > intimidation or miscommunication between you and management
> > at this point, neither of which are good for production.
> >
> > HTH
> > Hatton
> >
> >
>
> 

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