Gruss Gott wrote: >> Judah wrote: >> I agree completely. My first post was taking on the notion that unions >> are obviously to blame. That is patently ridiculous. >> I haven't gotten to be a union member much > > So you think it's "patently ridiculous" but you "haven't gotten to be > a union member much"?
Yes, yes I do. It is patently ridiculous. For the reasons I stated and not a single one of which you refuted. I do not have to be a member of a union to analyze union issues. Just like I don't have to be a Democrat to talk about their campaign strategies. It is quite simple really. > I worked in and managed unions for over 10 years and I can tell you > for a fact that unions did nobody any good except those that didn't > want to work. The whole union concept is to protect the worker, > right? Well, nowadays, who needs protecting? Usually the lazy. > (yes, yes, there are exceptions but they are <1%) Well, I live in a right to work state. People can get fired for any reason including no reason, excepting things which are explicitly disallowed by law. Those exceptions are few and were hard fought for by...unions! If you managed unions for 10 years and have such a low opinion of them, I would suggest that the job was probably a poor fit for both the union and you. Perhaps you are not the best judge of their worth. > Look at Catepillar in the 90s. Their stock was single digits until > they ejected the union, now they're #1. > > The fact is that GM will eject their union and/or their union > obligations or they'll die. Are there other things they could do? > Sure. But they will NEVER be the #1 car manufacturer ever again until > they lose the union. > Then good riddance to bad rubbish. Many companies can work with unions just fine and prosper. If GM is unable to maintain follow through on their promises to generations of workers, lay out a decent roadmap for building a successful collaboration with current workers and build cars that people want to buy, they deserve to go under. That, I believe, is what the conservatives call the invisible hand of Adam Smith giving you a royal bitch slap. Judah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:243235 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
