Details, details, details! You pick out one little thing about a legitimate hero's life and try to use that to justify your beliefs about someone of questionable merit.
Look, I am all for a little bit of hero worship where appropriate, but this goes too far. You can say Dubyah is doing a good job and all that, but is he on the front lines like Ike was on many occassions? No. Dubyah was in a national guard unit like the other privledged few during Vietnam when he had an opportunity to serve his country in a meaningful way. That fact alone should make us suspicious of his judgement, not to mention his other stunning accomplishments I have already detailed. Maybe it's just that I have not had enough coffee this morning, maybe it's the frustration I feel because I want to brag about some cool projects I am working on but can't because of a NDA I signed with Macromedia, but I meant it when I hurled that muffin at you. I encourage you now to eat it, and say you are sorry for offending the memory of a great man who the entire free world owes a lot to. Grrr.... M PS - There were thirteen democratic nations left on Earth before Ike began his campaigns in Europe and Africa. He managed to liberate nation upon nation from fascist dictatorships in the face of immense, hardened, veteran opposition far more extensive and well-financed than anything we currently face. Ike did all this without ever once using an atomic weapon, much less a nuclear one with 100,000 times the firepower of anything from his day. -----Original Message----- From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:23 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Nukes I also limited that statement to contolling the Nukes. I don't doubt Ike could handle thing properly. I have read his biography and much on him. I work 4 blocks from the D D Eisenhower Center (behind the D-Day museum). I'm just concerned that someone who has an affair in office is controlling nuclear weapons. Until Bush has one, I'll be less concerned about his judgement. > -----Original Message----- > From: Haggerty, Michael A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:52 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Nukes > > > Uhhh... you did! Reading your post, you seemed to be saying you > preferred a > C student to one you considered impared. > > AND you stated Eisenhower's actions indicate he suffered from impared > judgement. That should read ACTION, his affair in office. Beyond that, I can't point to anything else he did that I consider questionable. I haven't done much research into his life though. > > Russel, if Eisenhower was in office, the Taleban would be interred behind > cash registers in 7-11's worldwide by now. The war would be over and we > would be supressing pop-up ads for low air fares to Kabul > starting at $99 / > 3 night stay. Osama and his little henchmen would be on trial in the Hague > in the courtroom of John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, and Russell > Crowe. We would > not be screwing around with thoughts of nuking China or any of this other > weak sh*t I keep hearing out of Dubyah's abode. Maybe, but Ike is dead and Bush is in office. So far, Bush is doing a pretty good job of kick Taliban tail. What I am hearing from Operation Anaconda is impressing me. > > FOR SHAME! *uncovers bran muffin of infinite despair and hurls it towards > you with righteous indignation* Alright! That can only be a better feeling than what work is driving me too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:33 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Nukes > > > Who said I had a preference to him. My choice for President was John > McCain. There has been no decent Libertarian candidate on the Louisiana > ballot so I ended up voting Republican because I was voting against Gore. > > I'm just tired of all of the Bush bashing. Bush has done an equitable job > on the economy after Clinton drove it into the crash and he has > done a good > job with the war on terrorism. I think that isn't bad for a "C Student." > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Haggerty, Michael A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Nukes > > > > > > Don't mess with Ike. > > > > He kicked the Wehrmacht's a**, liberated Europe, and performed > > supreme acts > > of moral courage in the process such that we should feel honored > > to have had > > him as our President. I cannot think of a single person qualified > > to judge a > > man like that or any of his indescretions. As they say in a > book somewhere > > "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." > > > > Dubyah, on the other hand, has accomplished 1) managing the > Texas Rangers > > into the ground after buying a 1% stake in the team with his > > Dad's money, 2) > > governing the Great State of Texas, where he accomplished a lot > > for big Oil > > and death penalty advocates, and 3) being elected to high > office only with > > the direct intervention of the supreme court. > > > > I am confused about your preference towards the latter. Please explain. > > > > M > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:01 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Nukes > > > > > > In all 3 cases you mentioned, I view the affairs as impaired > judgement on > > thier parts. Impaired judgement on the part of man contolling > our nuclear > > forces (Ike and JFK) scares me more than having a C student controlling > > them. > > > > Remember, I'm from Louisiana, the state that produced Huey P > Long, Earl K > > Long and Edwin W Edwards. > > > > Russel > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:41 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Nukes > > > > > > > > > Yes, Russel, we have (seen their "moral" behavior). > > > But the point was about intelligence, not moral rectitude. > > > FDR, Eisenhower, JFK all had affairs in office. > > > But they were intelligent. > > > Their somewhat reprehensible private actions did not detract from > > > that IMO. > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:42 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: Nukes > > > > > > > > > > > > And we have seen the moral behavior of Rhodes Scholars in the > > > > White Hose. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:22 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: Nukes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think he was addressing students at Yale, said he was proof a > > > > > "C" student > > > > > could grow up to be President. > > > > > (Someone please correct me if I have the wrong venue, but the > > > > > general point > > > > > was in regards to his mediocre academic record.) > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:22 AM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: Re: Nukes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't remember that particular comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Howie > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Braver, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:06 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: Nukes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Howie- > > > > > > > yes, simple-minded voters electing one of their kind. > > > > > > > 'member his comment about mediocre students? > > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
