nice answer. On 11/5/07, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not the same model as buying a car that suits you "sort of"; it's about > principle. > > If the scouts had a rule that said "We believe _____ to be beneath our code, > so we will not allow them to join or participate," what would that blank > have to be filled with in order for you to say to yourself, "That's just > wrong?" > > ....Gays? > ....The mentally challenged? > ....People with HIV/AIDS? > ....Blacks? > ....Mormons? > ....Catholics? > ....Wiccans? > ....Jews? > ....Your own answer? > > So if it's okay to ban the group that makes you shift in your seat a little > when you hear they've been banned, why is it then acceptable to ban any > other group? > > You see, if you can fill that blank with the name of a group, then it's > _you_ who have the problem, and you've just found a formalized group of > people with the very same problem that you will probably feel comfortable > with. > > To solidify this concept, gather a list of all the groups that exclude types > of people based on a code, and you will see a pattern that will hopefully > make you uncomfortable. > > Now before anyone starts in with the "choosing a car" or "church > denomination" argument, cars don't take stances, and denominational groups > (and Star Trek clubs, etc) are focused-interest groups that support a > central highly-targeted focus. Scouts has a non-denominational focus that > purports a wide-ranging set of general values, but excludes certain groups > of people who may indeed share those values but who are assumed not to be > the scouting leadership. > > Respectfully, > > Adam Phillip Churvis > President > Productivity Enhancement > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:28 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Boy Scouts Of America > > My wife and I had an interesting debate on the BSA. > > Her position: > Because the BSA bans atheists and Gays from being BSA leaders, we > shouldn't let our fictitious children attend any BSA events because > then we'd be implicitly endorsing their discrimination and possibly > funding it. > > My position: > Lots of groups have these same rules: Catholic Church (some sects), > Jewish Church, etc., but also stand for the Golden Rule, honor, etc. > If our children were to attend events and there was an implicit or > explicit agreement not to discuss their discriminatory reasoning, then > it would be ok. (I think there's a larger principle here about > favoring a homogenous society vs. a tolerant society too) > > So who's right? > > > >
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